Dear George, all,

As Martin pointed out CRMtext surely provide a solutions (there is indeed a class transcription), however in the past I found myself using the same modelling that Rob proposed (using P2 instead of P32 on the activity node)



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On 22 Jul 2021, at 17:08, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig wrote:

Dear Rob, All,

I think this is a question to CRMtex, and Achille and Francesca, which should provide a general theory of transcriptions.

All the best,


On 7/22/2021 4:59 PM, Robert Sanderson via Crm-sig wrote:

What about:

 A a E33_Linguistic_Object ; 
  P94i_was_created_by Creation .
Creation a E65_Creation ;
  p2_has_type or p32_used_general_technique <aat:transcription> ;
  p16_used_specific_object B .


On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 5:58 AM George Bruseker via Crm-sig <> wrote:
Dear all,

Just a general question to the crowd. 

Sometimes one has transcribed data of a very simple form. 

A is supposed to represent B and it has been copied by someone with the intention of so doing.

A is a transcription of B

A [E33] is a transcription of B [E33]

This could be modelled numerous ways using CIDOC CRM. If one is looking for the most direct/binary way, I suppose that the only choice is "p130 shows features of". If you wanted to capture the mode of relation then you would use p130.1 has type and indicate 'transcription'. 

I notice, however, that we do have 'has translation' as a sub property of P130 shows features of, as an apparently useful to the community binary property specializing P130 to that specific scenario. 

Has anyone else done modelling of transcriptions before with the aim of not recording the event but only the binary relation and if so, did you come up with any interesting solutions?

A property would be handy in case anyone has created and published a specialization that could just be reused?

Thanks for any insight! Maybe I miss an obvious trick from LRM?

All the best,

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