Dear Regine,

There has been an implicit discussion in the CRM about prints as production with particular tools.
see:

E12 Production

Subclass of:         E11 Modification

                              E63 Beginning of Existence

 

Scope note:         This class comprises activities that are designed to, and succeed in, creating one or more new items.

 

It specializes the notion of modification into production. The decision as to whether or not an object is regarded as new is context sensitive. Normally, items are considered “new” if there is no obvious overall similarity between them and the consumed items and material used in their production. In other cases, an item is considered “new” because it becomes relevant to documentation by a modification. For example, the scribbling of a name on a potsherd may make it a voting token. The original potsherd may not be worth documenting, in contrast to the inscribed one.

 

This entity can be collective: the printing of a thousand books, for example, would normally be considered a single event.

 

An event should also be documented using E81 Transformation if it results in the destruction of one or more objects and the simultaneous production of others using parts or material from the originals. In this case, the new items have separate identities and matter is preserved, but identity is not.

Examples:

§  the construction of the SS Great Britain

§  the first casting of the Little Mermaid from the harbour of Copenhagen

§  Rembrandt’s creating of the seventh state of his etching “Woman sitting half dressed beside a stove”, 1658, identified by Bartsch Number 197 (E12,E65,E81)

So, the print plate undergoes "transformations" and implies the creation of an information object being present on the plate(s) and the prints, or, in more creative techniques, the information content of the plate is "incorporated" in the prints.

The print plate is "used specific object" in the printing process, but a specialization of E12 may be adequate to fix the
specific kind of use and its consequences of information transfer to the copies.

We are also discussing a generalization of
F32 Carrier Production Event

Subclass of:        E12 Production

Scope note:         This class comprises activities that result in instances of F54 Utilized Information Carrier coming into existence. Both the production of a series of physical objects (printed books, scores, CDs, DVDs, CD-ROMS, etc.) and the creation of a new copy of a file on an electronic carrier are regarded as instances of F32 Carrier Production Event.

Typically, the production of copies of a publication (no matter whether it is a book, a sound recording, a DVD, a cartographic resource, etc.) strives to produce items all as similar as possible to a prototype that displays all the features that all the copies of the publication should also display, which is reflected in property R27 used as source material F24 Publication Expression.


into industrial production, of cars, tools, coins and whatever.

Artistic prints with limited copies etc may not be regarded as producing "things of type XXX".

A CRM extension into the world of artitstic printing may be interesting.

If its only about using AAT vocabulary, Christian-Emil's remark's should be sufficient.

I do not know if the AAT differentiates the plate as museum object from the copy.

All the best,

Martin

On 30/7/2015 9:48 μμ, Christian-Emil Smith Ore wrote:
Hi Regine
If I understand AAT correctly, it is a thesaurus and is as such a hierarchy of concepts and can be seen as a incarnation of a hierarchy under the E55 Type. 
In a CRM/FRBRoo context a print is a physical object (one of the items of  a series), for instance a lithography, a  paper carrying an image  or more. A lithography would usually  be given the AAT type 'print'  (or belong to this type/be a member of the set of objects that can be said to belong to the hypothetical set of all prints). 

This may not be what you have in mind?

Regards,
Christian-Emil

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Regine
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Subject: [Crm-sig] FRBRoo / CRM for prints?

Hi,

Did anybody go into depth with FRBRoo / CRM modelling or mapping for
prints (visual works) (-> http://vocab.getty.edu/aat/300041273 ;-)) , or can
point us to respective work on this kind of material?

Thanks!

Regine

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