[Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: "causal" in P14 scope note

[Martin Doerr]

On 1/12/2022 10:45 PM, Robert Sanderson wrote:
>
> Thanks Martin! :)
>
> For the querying, I agree that if there's subProperty inferencing, and 
> you query for participated in, but the particular data uses carried 
> out by, that you'll still find it.
> However without those inferences, or in our case, as a profile for as 
> few choices to make as possible in terms of implementation, we would 
> still need to pick one. Thus, as it's not P14, we should use P11 had 
> participant.
Yes, indeed!

Further, even if the inferences are not built-in, a S/W engineer can 
write the respective "OR" condition  in the query code to simulate the 
superproperty.

Best,

Martin*
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> R
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> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 3:33 PM Martin Doerr via Crm-sig 
> <crm-sig at ics.forth.gr> wrote:
>
>     Dear Robert,
>
>     Yes, scope notes can always be improved!
>
>     The role of the child should definitely not be regarded as P14.
>     Necessary participation is definitey not meant by "causal" or
>     "legal responsibility" in this scope note. P14 is meant in an
>     active sense. In a sense, any participation may have an impact on
>     an event. This was not meant here.
>
>     Similarly, patients in a surgery are necessary, but do not carry
>     it out.
>     However, there are well-known criminal cases in which
>     participation without inhibiting murder etc. are regarded as
>     legally co-responsible. In that case, we should rather use P14, in
>     my opinion.
>
>     Since participation is a generalization of P14, the difference for
>     the recall/ precision of querying the CRM is however marginal.
>
>     Best,
>
>     Martin
>
>     On 1/12/2022 7:32 PM, Robert Sanderson via Crm-sig wrote:
>>     Dear all,
>>
>>     A question came up in the Linked Art group today about the intent
>>     of "causal" in the scope not for P14 carried out by.
>>
>>     The scope note reads, in its entirety:
>>
>>         This property describes the active participation of an
>>         instance of E39 Actor in an instance of E7 Activity.It
>>         implies causal or legal responsibility. The /P14.1 in the
>>         role of /property of the property specifies the nature of an
>>         Actor’s participation.
>>
>>
>>     The particular scenario being discussed was the baptism of a
>>     child and whether it could be said that the baby carried out the
>>     activity or was merely a participant or present.  The child is a
>>     necessary participant in the activity, but does that make their
>>     participation "causal"? Whether the child is actively or
>>     passively participating seems difficult to determine so we didn't
>>     rule P14 out on those grounds.
>>
>>     For such an important property, I think we could easily improve
>>     the scope note :)
>>
>>     Rob
>>
>>     -- 
>>     Rob Sanderson
>>     Director for Cultural Heritage Metadata
>>     Yale University
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