[Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: "causal" in P14 scope note
martin at ics.forth.gr
Wed Jan 12 22:56:27 EET 2022
On 1/12/2022 10:45 PM, Robert Sanderson wrote:
> Thanks Martin! :)
> For the querying, I agree that if there's subProperty inferencing, and
> you query for participated in, but the particular data uses carried
> out by, that you'll still find it.
> However without those inferences, or in our case, as a profile for as
> few choices to make as possible in terms of implementation, we would
> still need to pick one. Thus, as it's not P14, we should use P11 had
Further, even if the inferences are not built-in, a S/W engineer can
write the respective "OR" condition in the query code to simulate the
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 3:33 PM Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
> <crm-sig at ics.forth.gr> wrote:
> Dear Robert,
> Yes, scope notes can always be improved!
> The role of the child should definitely not be regarded as P14.
> Necessary participation is definitey not meant by "causal" or
> "legal responsibility" in this scope note. P14 is meant in an
> active sense. In a sense, any participation may have an impact on
> an event. This was not meant here.
> Similarly, patients in a surgery are necessary, but do not carry
> it out.
> However, there are well-known criminal cases in which
> participation without inhibiting murder etc. are regarded as
> legally co-responsible. In that case, we should rather use P14, in
> my opinion.
> Since participation is a generalization of P14, the difference for
> the recall/ precision of querying the CRM is however marginal.
> On 1/12/2022 7:32 PM, Robert Sanderson via Crm-sig wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> A question came up in the Linked Art group today about the intent
>> of "causal" in the scope not for P14 carried out by.
>> The scope note reads, in its entirety:
>> This property describes the active participation of an
>> instance of E39 Actor in an instance of E7 Activity.It
>> implies causal or legal responsibility. The /P14.1 in the
>> role of /property of the property specifies the nature of an
>> Actor’s participation.
>> The particular scenario being discussed was the baptism of a
>> child and whether it could be said that the baby carried out the
>> activity or was merely a participant or present. The child is a
>> necessary participant in the activity, but does that make their
>> participation "causal"? Whether the child is actively or
>> passively participating seems difficult to determine so we didn't
>> rule P14 out on those grounds.
>> For such an important property, I think we could easily improve
>> the scope note :)
>> Rob Sanderson
>> Director for Cultural Heritage Metadata
>> Yale University
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> Rob Sanderson
> Director for Cultural Heritage Metadata
> Yale University
Dr. Martin Doerr
Honorary Head of the
Center for Cultural Informatics
Information Systems Laboratory
Institute of Computer Science
Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH)
N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton,
Email:martin at ics.forth.gr
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