[Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: "causal" in P14 scope note

Robert Sanderson azaroth42 at gmail.com
Wed Jan 12 22:45:14 EET 2022

Thanks Martin! :)

For the querying, I agree that if there's subProperty inferencing, and you
query for participated in, but the particular data uses carried out by,
that you'll still find it.
However without those inferences, or in our case, as a profile for as few
choices to make as possible in terms of implementation, we would still need
to pick one. Thus, as it's not P14, we should use P11 had participant.


On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 3:33 PM Martin Doerr via Crm-sig <
crm-sig at ics.forth.gr> wrote:

> Dear Robert,
> Yes, scope notes can always be improved!
> The role of the child should definitely not be regarded as P14. Necessary
> participation is definitey not meant by "causal" or "legal responsibility"
> in this scope note. P14 is meant in an active sense. In a sense, any
> participation may have an impact on an event. This was not meant here.
> Similarly, patients in a surgery are necessary, but do not carry it out.
> However, there are well-known criminal cases in which participation
> without inhibiting murder etc. are regarded as legally co-responsible. In
> that case, we should rather use P14, in my opinion.
> Since participation is a generalization of P14, the difference for the
> recall/ precision of querying the CRM is however marginal.
> Best,
> Martin
> On 1/12/2022 7:32 PM, Robert Sanderson via Crm-sig wrote:
> Dear all,
> A question came up in the Linked Art group today about the intent of
> "causal" in the scope not for P14 carried out by.
> The scope note reads, in its entirety:
> This property describes the active participation of an instance of E39
> Actor in an instance of E7 Activity. It implies causal or legal
> responsibility. The *P14.1 in the role of *property of the property
> specifies the nature of an Actor’s participation.
> The particular scenario being discussed was the baptism of a child and
> whether it could be said that the baby carried out the activity or was
> merely a participant or present.  The child is a necessary participant in
> the activity, but does that make their participation "causal"? Whether the
> child is actively or passively participating seems difficult to determine
> so we didn't rule P14 out on those grounds.
> For such an important property, I think we could easily improve the scope
> note :)
> Rob
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