[Crm-sig] 511 e-vote, broader vision

Martin Doerr martin at ics.forth.gr
Thu Mar 25 15:01:13 EET 2021

Dear Francesco,

Thank you for these important considerations. I do support your broader 
vision. I see several specific challenges that should better be 
respected on a common path to this vision, which I'd like to explicate 
and write up the next days, so that we can discuss and effectively 
address them together.

Kind regards,


On 3/24/2021 10:08 AM, Francesco Beretta via Crm-sig wrote:
> Dear Martin,
> It is to me to thank you so much for taking the time to restate the 
> whole issue from the point of view of the methodology used to develop 
> the CRM, making very clear the reasons for the decision that was taken 
> by the SIG. I understand your arguments and they are certainly robust 
> in the point of view of the scientific method, and more specifically 
> physics.
> My concern is about the adoption of the CIDOC CRM by a larger 
> community, making it a widely used ontology in the domain of digital 
> humanities and social sciences, which are interconnected with museums 
> and other GLAM actors, all of them being active in the domain of 
> cultural heritage, for conservation or for scientific exploration.
> Restricting the scope of the E16 Measurement class after years of use 
> in a more generic sense, whether or not it is the substance intended 
> by the insiders from the beginning, poses in my opinion a problem 
> which I think should be analysed from this larger point of view. More 
> in general the methodology the SIG adopts to develop the CRM should in 
> my opinion take into account this development towards a larger 
> community of users and the need expressed by more and more people and 
> projects to have an ontology to fill the interoperability gap in 
> cultural heritage domain intended in a broad, multi-disciplinary sense.
> These considerations also apply to the articulation between the 
> different extensions in the CRM family, in which the approaches of the 
> different disciplines can be expressed more clearly, and refer to wide 
> spread standards in the different domains, leaving CRMbase with a 
> generic character that makes it the pivot of interoperability. It 
> should be noted that the growing demand is not only for data 
> integration but also, and especially, for new information production.
> I personally advocate the adoption of CIDOC CRM in the context of this 
> broader vision, and often seek to make clear to external users 
> methodological choices taken by the CRM SIG, and the meaning of 
> aspects of the ontology that are less directly understandable, without 
> specific training, in communities wishing to adopt it. And I believe, 
> especially when I compare our activity with that of the maintainers of 
> other standards, such as TEI, that a more community driven approach in 
> the development of the CRM would facilitate its understanding and 
> adoption, and thus further enhance the value of all the work that has 
> been done over the years to develop the robust model that we know and 
> cherish.
> With all my thanks and best wishes
> Francesco
> ---
> Dr. habil. Francesco Beretta
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> Le projet dataforhistory.org <http://dataforhistory.org/> – Ontology 
> Management Environment OntoME <http://ontome.dataforhistory.org/>
> Projet "FAIR data" en histoire 
> <http://phn-wiki.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr/doku.php?id=fairdata:accueil>
> Le projet symogih.org <http://symogih.org/>– SPARQL endpoint 
> <http://symogih.org/?q=rdf-publication>
> Portail de ressources géo-historiques GEO-LARHRA 
> <http://geo-larhra.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr/>
> Portail de ressources textuelles 
> <http://xml-portal.symogih.org/index.html> au format XML
> Cours Outils numériques pour les sciences historiques 
> <http://phn-wiki.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr/doku.php?id=intro_histoire_numerique:accueil>

  Dr. Martin Doerr
  Honorary Head of the
  Center for Cultural Informatics
  Information Systems Laboratory
  Institute of Computer Science
  Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH)
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