[Crm-sig] Issue:530 Bias in the CRM

Philippe Michon illipmich at gmail.com
Fri Mar 12 21:25:29 EET 2021


Dear all,

CHIN also supports this initiative and would like to contribute to it. It
may be one of my colleagues or one of our partners, but I would appreciate
being kept informed.

@Achille, I think you wanted to answer the issue regarding the translation
working group. So I added your name to the list. :)

Best regards,
Philippe

Le mer. 10 mars 2021 à 04:29, Achille Felicetti via Crm-sig <
crm-sig at ics.forth.gr> a écrit :

> Dear George, all
>
> For the Italian translation, you can certainly count on me as well :-))
>
> Ciao,
> A.
>
> Il giorno 10 mar 2021, alle ore 09:49, George Bruseker via Crm-sig <
> crm-sig at ics.forth.gr> ha scritto:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I, too, fully support this important initiative and hope to learn much
> from colleagues in the discussion. The opening discussion was already very
> fruitful to start us off at looking at fundamental issues to take into
> account in the method of creating ontologies.
>
> The shared zotero library suggestion is a great one.
>
> Best,
>
> George
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 11:41 AM Athanasios Velios via Crm-sig <
> crm-sig at ics.forth.gr> wrote:
>
>> Indeed the intention is to focus on ontological level for the CRM and
>> not to expand to data structures, schemas etc. The issue label does not
>> represent the issue exactly, but it can act as a reminder. I will add
>> the reference to the library.
>>
>> T.
>>
>> On 09/03/2021 06:58, Nicola Carboni wrote:
>> > Dear Thanasis, all,
>> >
>> > I would be happy to join the discussion. Another useful reading other
>> > than the already cited ones, is "Cataloguing Culture: Legacies of
>> > Colonialism in Museum Documentation”
>> > <https://www.ubcpress.ca/cataloguing-culture> by Hannah Turner.
>> >
>> > Regarding the name and the scope of the issue: should we focus on data
>> > structure (I see the title of the issue is "bias in data structure") or
>> > specifically on ontologies and CRM?
>> > While I do very much believe that data structure is an enormously
>> > important topic to discuss, it is an extremely large subject, and
>> entail
>> > a larger series of problems which do derive from the informational
>> > foundation, the concept of structure itself, the recorded information,
>> > as well as disciplinary inheritance in the chosen subject matter.
>> >
>> > I second rob proposing to focus on the problem of the ontology and the
>> > process of documentation/development. I would add that we should
>> include
>> > some point about CRM as system of thought as well as the problem of
>> > formalisation.
>> >
>> >     * Implementations and Instances of the Ontology
>> >     -- I think these are useful as second-order evidence, but that we
>> >     should not be too involved or prescriptive.
>> >
>> > I would include the topic, as to make clear the diversity in
>> > implementation (use of terminological systems as well as the use of the
>> > concept of controlled terminology itself), avoiding indeed the
>> > prescriptive stance.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Nicola
>> >
>> > P.s. Great initiative :-)
>> >
>> > On 8 Mar 2021, at 21:33, Athanasios Velios via Crm-sig wrote:
>> >
>> >     Thank you Erin. We are using Zotero already for the CRM so this is a
>> >     good idea. I can check if a new folder can be created for issue 530.
>> >
>> >     T.
>> >
>> >
>> >     On 08/03/2021 19:01, Erin Canning wrote:
>> >
>> >         I would also like to be involved in this discussion, please! I
>> >         too have a reading list on the subject that I would be happy to
>> >         share; I have been meaning to pull everything into a Zotero
>> >         library and this is a good excuse to do so. For a single article
>> >         to start things off, I would recommend Miriam Posner's "What's
>> >         Next: The Radical, Unrealized Potential of the Digital
>> >         Humanities"
>> >         <
>> https://dhdebates.gc.cuny.edu/read/untitled/section/a22aca14-0eb0-4cc6-a622-6fee9428a357
>> >         <
>> https://dhdebates.gc.cuny.edu/read/untitled/section/a22aca14-0eb0-4cc6-a622-6fee9428a357
>> >>
>> >         as an interesting read.
>> >
>> >         Best,
>> >         Erin
>> >
>> >
>> >         Erin Canning
>> >
>> >         canninge at uoguelph.ca<mailto:canninge at uoguelph.ca
>> >         <mailto:canninge at uoguelph.ca>>
>> >         Ontology Systems Analyst, LINCS
>> >         https://lincsproject.ca/
>> >         <https://lincsproject.ca/><https://lincsproject.ca/
>> >         <https://lincsproject.ca/>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >         *From:* Crm-sig <crm-sig-bounces at ics.forth.gr> on behalf of
>> >         Athanasios Velios via Crm-sig <crm-sig at ics.forth.gr>
>> >         *Sent:* March 8, 2021 12:52 PM
>> >         *To:* crm-sig <crm-sig at ics.forth.gr>
>> >         *Subject:* Re: [Crm-sig] Issue:530 Bias in the CRM
>> >         EXTERNAL EMAIL:
>> >
>> >         Fantastic! Thank you for sharing and you are first in the list.
>> >
>> >         For the rest in list and if you did not attend today's sessions,
>> >         following discussion for issue 530, a working group is being
>> >         formed to
>> >         discuss bias in the CRM. Please let me know if you wish to
>> >         contribute to
>> >         the discussion.
>> >
>> >         All the best,
>> >
>> >         Thanasis
>> >
>> >         On 08/03/2021 17:17, Anaïs Guillem wrote:
>> >
>> >             Dear Thanasis, all,
>> >             Some digital humanists work and publish on this question of
>> >             bias in
>> >             digital humanities: here is an example of very a propos
>> >             publication:
>> >
>> >
>> https://journals.dartmouth.edu/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Journals.woa/xmlpage/4/article/425
>> >             <
>> https://journals.dartmouth.edu/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Journals.woa/xmlpage/4/article/425
>> >
>> >
>> >         <
>> https://journals.dartmouth.edu/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Journals.woa/xmlpage/4/article/425
>> >         <
>> https://journals.dartmouth.edu/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Journals.woa/xmlpage/4/article/425
>> >>
>> >
>> >             <
>> https://journals.dartmouth.edu/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Journals.woa/xmlpage/4/article/425
>> >             <
>> https://journals.dartmouth.edu/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Journals.woa/xmlpage/4/article/425
>> >
>> >
>> >         <
>> https://journals.dartmouth.edu/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Journals.woa/xmlpage/4/article/425
>> >         <
>> https://journals.dartmouth.edu/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Journals.woa/xmlpage/4/article/425
>> >>>
>> >
>> >             I gathered myself bibliography about decolonizing knowledge
>> and
>> >             methodology especially in digital project. I could join the
>> >             discussion
>> >             of your working group if you want.
>> >             Cheers,
>> >             Anais
>> >
>> >             Le mer. 3 mars 2021 à 14:58, Athanasios Velios
>> >             <thanasis at softicon.co.uk
>> >             <mailto:thanasis at softicon.co.uk
>> >             <mailto:thanasis at softicon.co.uk>
>> >             <mailto:thanasis at softicon.co.uk
>> >             <mailto:thanasis at softicon.co.uk>>>> a écrit :
>> >
>> >                   Dear all,
>> >
>> >                   In version 7.1 a short but important sentence has been
>> >             added at the end
>> >                   of the scope section:
>> >
>> >                   "Discussions on the types of bias present in the CIDOC
>> >             CRM are in
>> >                   progress within the CIDOC CRM community."
>> >
>> >                   Issue 530 is used to track the discussions here:
>> >
>> >             http://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-530-bias-in-data-structure
>> >             <http://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-530-bias-in-data-structure>
>> >
>> >         <http://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-530-bias-in-data-structure
>> >         <http://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-530-bias-in-data-structure>>
>> >
>> >
>> >             <http://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-530-bias-in-data-structure
>> >             <http://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-530-bias-in-data-structure>
>> >
>> >         <http://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-530-bias-in-data-structure
>> >         <http://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-530-bias-in-data-structure>>>
>> >
>> >                   It is important to engage in this discussion so that
>> >             we first understand
>> >                   the issues around bias and privileged positions and
>> >             then how these may
>> >                   or may not impact the development of the model.
>> >
>> >                   We will then be more confident in making a more
>> >             complete statement is
>> >                   future versions. Issue 530 is scheduled to be
>> >             discussed at the community
>> >                   session of the forthcoming meeting.
>> >
>> >                   Looking forward to it.
>> >
>> >                   All the best,
>> >
>> >                   Thanasis
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