[Crm-sig] Issue:530 Bias in the CRM

Athanasios Velios thanasis at softicon.co.uk
Tue Mar 9 11:37:31 EET 2021


Indeed the intention is to focus on ontological level for the CRM and 
not to expand to data structures, schemas etc. The issue label does not 
represent the issue exactly, but it can act as a reminder. I will add 
the reference to the library.

T.

On 09/03/2021 06:58, Nicola Carboni wrote:
> Dear Thanasis, all,
> 
> I would be happy to join the discussion. Another useful reading other 
> than the already cited ones, is "Cataloguing Culture: Legacies of 
> Colonialism in Museum Documentation” 
> <https://www.ubcpress.ca/cataloguing-culture> by Hannah Turner.
> 
> Regarding the name and the scope of the issue: should we focus on data 
> structure (I see the title of the issue is "bias in data structure") or 
> specifically on ontologies and CRM?
> While I do very much believe that data structure is an enormously 
> important topic to discuss, it is an extremely large subject, and entail 
> a larger series of problems which do derive from the informational 
> foundation, the concept of structure itself, the recorded information, 
> as well as disciplinary inheritance in the chosen subject matter.
> 
> I second rob proposing to focus on the problem of the ontology and the 
> process of documentation/development. I would add that we should include 
> some point about CRM as system of thought as well as the problem of 
> formalisation.
> 
>     * Implementations and Instances of the Ontology
>     -- I think these are useful as second-order evidence, but that we
>     should not be too involved or prescriptive.
> 
> I would include the topic, as to make clear the diversity in 
> implementation (use of terminological systems as well as the use of the 
> concept of controlled terminology itself), avoiding indeed the 
> prescriptive stance.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Nicola
> 
> P.s. Great initiative :-)
> 
> On 8 Mar 2021, at 21:33, Athanasios Velios via Crm-sig wrote:
> 
>     Thank you Erin. We are using Zotero already for the CRM so this is a
>     good idea. I can check if a new folder can be created for issue 530.
> 
>     T.
> 
> 
>     On 08/03/2021 19:01, Erin Canning wrote:
> 
>         I would also like to be involved in this discussion, please! I
>         too have a reading list on the subject that I would be happy to
>         share; I have been meaning to pull everything into a Zotero
>         library and this is a good excuse to do so. For a single article
>         to start things off, I would recommend Miriam Posner's "What's
>         Next: The Radical, Unrealized Potential of the Digital
>         Humanities"
>         <https://dhdebates.gc.cuny.edu/read/untitled/section/a22aca14-0eb0-4cc6-a622-6fee9428a357
>         <https://dhdebates.gc.cuny.edu/read/untitled/section/a22aca14-0eb0-4cc6-a622-6fee9428a357>>
>         as an interesting read.
> 
>         Best,
>         Erin
> 
> 
>         Erin Canning
> 
>         canninge at uoguelph.ca<mailto:canninge at uoguelph.ca
>         <mailto:canninge at uoguelph.ca>>
>         Ontology Systems Analyst, LINCS
>         https://lincsproject.ca/
>         <https://lincsproject.ca/><https://lincsproject.ca/
>         <https://lincsproject.ca/>>
> 
> 
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>         *From:* Crm-sig <crm-sig-bounces at ics.forth.gr> on behalf of
>         Athanasios Velios via Crm-sig <crm-sig at ics.forth.gr>
>         *Sent:* March 8, 2021 12:52 PM
>         *To:* crm-sig <crm-sig at ics.forth.gr>
>         *Subject:* Re: [Crm-sig] Issue:530 Bias in the CRM
>         EXTERNAL EMAIL:
> 
>         Fantastic! Thank you for sharing and you are first in the list.
> 
>         For the rest in list and if you did not attend today's sessions,
>         following discussion for issue 530, a working group is being
>         formed to
>         discuss bias in the CRM. Please let me know if you wish to
>         contribute to
>         the discussion.
> 
>         All the best,
> 
>         Thanasis
> 
>         On 08/03/2021 17:17, Anaïs Guillem wrote:
> 
>             Dear Thanasis, all,
>             Some digital humanists work and publish on this question of
>             bias in
>             digital humanities: here is an example of very a propos
>             publication:
> 
>             https://journals.dartmouth.edu/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Journals.woa/xmlpage/4/article/425
>             <https://journals.dartmouth.edu/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Journals.woa/xmlpage/4/article/425>
> 
>         <https://journals.dartmouth.edu/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Journals.woa/xmlpage/4/article/425
>         <https://journals.dartmouth.edu/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Journals.woa/xmlpage/4/article/425>>
> 
>             <https://journals.dartmouth.edu/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Journals.woa/xmlpage/4/article/425
>             <https://journals.dartmouth.edu/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Journals.woa/xmlpage/4/article/425>
> 
>         <https://journals.dartmouth.edu/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Journals.woa/xmlpage/4/article/425
>         <https://journals.dartmouth.edu/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Journals.woa/xmlpage/4/article/425>>>
> 
>             I gathered myself bibliography about decolonizing knowledge and
>             methodology especially in digital project. I could join the
>             discussion
>             of your working group if you want.
>             Cheers,
>             Anais
> 
>             Le mer. 3 mars 2021 à 14:58, Athanasios Velios
>             <thanasis at softicon.co.uk
>             <mailto:thanasis at softicon.co.uk
>             <mailto:thanasis at softicon.co.uk>
>             <mailto:thanasis at softicon.co.uk
>             <mailto:thanasis at softicon.co.uk>>>> a écrit :
> 
>                   Dear all,
> 
>                   In version 7.1 a short but important sentence has been
>             added at the end
>                   of the scope section:
> 
>                   "Discussions on the types of bias present in the CIDOC
>             CRM are in
>                   progress within the CIDOC CRM community."
> 
>                   Issue 530 is used to track the discussions here:
> 
>             http://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-530-bias-in-data-structure
>             <http://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-530-bias-in-data-structure>
> 
>         <http://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-530-bias-in-data-structure
>         <http://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-530-bias-in-data-structure>>
> 
>                  
>             <http://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-530-bias-in-data-structure
>             <http://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-530-bias-in-data-structure>
> 
>         <http://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-530-bias-in-data-structure
>         <http://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-530-bias-in-data-structure>>>
> 
>                   It is important to engage in this discussion so that
>             we first understand
>                   the issues around bias and privileged positions and
>             then how these may
>                   or may not impact the development of the model.
> 
>                   We will then be more confident in making a more
>             complete statement is
>                   future versions. Issue 530 is scheduled to be
>             discussed at the community
>                   session of the forthcoming meeting.
> 
>                   Looking forward to it.
> 
>                   All the best,
> 
>                   Thanasis
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