[Crm-sig] Issue:530 Bias in the CRM

Nicola Carboni nic.carboni at gmail.com
Tue Mar 9 08:58:54 EET 2021

Dear Thanasis, all,

I would be happy to join the discussion. Another useful reading other 
than the already cited ones, is ["Cataloguing Culture: Legacies of 
Colonialism in Museum 
Documentation”](https://www.ubcpress.ca/cataloguing-culture) by Hannah 

Regarding the name and the scope of the issue: should we focus on data 
structure (I see the title of the issue is "bias in data structure") or 
specifically on ontologies and CRM?
While I do very much believe that data structure is an enormously 
important topic to discuss, it is an extremely large subject, and entail 
a larger series of problems which do derive from the informational 
foundation, the concept of structure itself, the recorded information, 
as well as disciplinary inheritance in the chosen subject matter.

I second rob proposing to focus on the problem of the ontology and the 
process of documentation/development. I would add that we should include 
some point about CRM as system of thought as well as the problem of 

> * Implementations and Instances of the Ontology
>  -- I think these are useful as second-order evidence, but that we 
> should not be too involved or prescriptive.

I would include the topic, as to make clear the diversity in 
implementation (use of terminological systems as well as the use of the 
concept of controlled terminology itself), avoiding indeed the 
prescriptive stance.



P.s. Great initiative :-)

On 8 Mar 2021, at 21:33, Athanasios Velios via Crm-sig wrote:

> Thank you Erin. We are using Zotero already for the CRM so this is a 
> good idea. I can check if a new folder can be created for issue 530.
> T.
> On 08/03/2021 19:01, Erin Canning wrote:
>> I would also like to be involved in this discussion, please! I too 
>> have a reading list on the subject that I would be happy to share; I 
>> have been meaning to pull everything into a Zotero library and this 
>> is a good excuse to do so. For a single article to start things off, 
>> I would recommend Miriam Posner's "What's Next: The Radical, 
>> Unrealized Potential of the Digital Humanities" 
>> <https://dhdebates.gc.cuny.edu/read/untitled/section/a22aca14-0eb0-4cc6-a622-6fee9428a357> 
>> as an interesting read.
>> Best,
>> Erin
>> Erin Canning
>> canninge at uoguelph.ca<mailto:canninge at uoguelph.ca>
>> Ontology Systems Analyst, LINCS
>> https://lincsproject.ca/<https://lincsproject.ca/>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Crm-sig <crm-sig-bounces at ics.forth.gr> on behalf of 
>> Athanasios Velios via Crm-sig <crm-sig at ics.forth.gr>
>> *Sent:* March 8, 2021 12:52 PM
>> *To:* crm-sig <crm-sig at ics.forth.gr>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Crm-sig] Issue:530 Bias in the CRM
>> Fantastic! Thank you for sharing and you are first in the list.
>> For the rest in list and if you did not attend today's sessions,
>> following discussion for issue 530, a working group is being formed 
>> to
>> discuss bias in the CRM. Please let me know if you wish to contribute 
>> to
>> the discussion.
>> All the best,
>> Thanasis
>> On 08/03/2021 17:17, Anaïs Guillem wrote:
>>> Dear Thanasis, all,
>>> Some digital humanists work and publish on this question of bias in
>>> digital humanities: here is an example of very a propos publication:
>>> https://journals.dartmouth.edu/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Journals.woa/xmlpage/4/article/425
>> <https://journals.dartmouth.edu/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Journals.woa/xmlpage/4/article/425>
>>> <https://journals.dartmouth.edu/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Journals.woa/xmlpage/4/article/425
>> <https://journals.dartmouth.edu/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Journals.woa/xmlpage/4/article/425>>
>>> I gathered myself bibliography about decolonizing knowledge and
>>> methodology especially in digital project. I could join the 
>>> discussion
>>> of your working group if you want.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Anais
>>> Le mer. 3 mars 2021 à 14:58, Athanasios Velios 
>>> <thanasis at softicon.co.uk
>>> <mailto:thanasis at softicon.co.uk <mailto:thanasis at softicon.co.uk>>> a 
>>> écrit :
>>>      Dear all,
>>>      In version 7.1 a short but important sentence has been 
>>> added at the end
>>>      of the scope section:
>>>      "Discussions on the types of bias present in the CIDOC CRM 
>>> are in
>>>      progress within the CIDOC CRM community."
>>>      Issue 530 is used to track the discussions here:
>>>     http://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-530-bias-in-data-structure
>> <http://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-530-bias-in-data-structure>
>>>      <http://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-530-bias-in-data-structure
>> <http://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-530-bias-in-data-structure>>
>>>      It is important to engage in this discussion so that we 
>>> first understand
>>>      the issues around bias and privileged positions and then 
>>> how these may
>>>      or may not impact the development of the model.
>>>      We will then be more confident in making a more complete 
>>> statement is
>>>      future versions. Issue 530 is scheduled to be discussed at 
>>> the community
>>>      session of the forthcoming meeting.
>>>      Looking forward to it.
>>>      All the best,
>>>      Thanasis
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