[Crm-sig] Issue 274: archetypical sounds

Martin Doerr martin at ics.forth.gr
Tue Jun 15 19:14:31 EEST 2021

Dear Thanasi,

This is also my understanding. Basically, we would need properties 
substantially different from other information objects, and different 
from audiovisual recordings for a new class, that would express 
relations not covered by others in the CRM, and essential in these 
applications. To my understanding, these have not been identified so far.

The question of bird songs that came up is more complex, because it is a 
type-type relation: species A uses to sing soundtype B.

Another aspect is sound as intangible heritage, very different again.

All the best,


On 6/15/2021 6:15 PM, Athanasios Velios via Crm-sig wrote:
> Maybe we have failed to document the issue in its development but my 
> understanding was that we were looking for use cases from sound arts 
> where a sound piece with distinct identity (for example) has been used 
> as part of another sound piece. The integration would have been 
> required to identify these as related separate entities thus providing 
> an additional argument for the new class. This is different to the 
> typical preservation metadata documented for audio recordings or 
> performances.
> All the best,
> Thanasis
> On 15/06/2021 10:24, George Bruseker wrote:
>> I imagine I'm running fast at windmills here but I already prepared a 
>> homework for this several sigs ago in which I list dozens of 
>> collections of sounds. There is documentation and research on sound 
>> in CH.
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ziNlZNCAYxAATNP7jycBPKT-v9Rhg4RUHt4dlpPS4-c/edit 
>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ziNlZNCAYxAATNP7jycBPKT-v9Rhg4RUHt4dlpPS4-c/edit> 
>> What exactly are we searching for in this issue?
>> On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 5:29 PM Дарья Юрьевна Гук via Crm-sig 
>> <crm-sig at ics.forth.gr <mailto:crm-sig at ics.forth.gr>> wrote:
>>     __
>>     Dear colleagues,
>>     the examples of cataloguing the audiovisual information exist, and
>>     an expert gave it me:
>> http://www.dapx.org/showservices.asp?ID=1003&fbclid=IwAR1MoBC2u07qVOGw5X3z2nZRjiu64SYAWDt6PQx-qlG8bRmmqkpPlo2srkE
>> <http://www.dapx.org/showservices.asp?ID=1003&fbclid=IwAR1MoBC2u07qVOGw5X3z2nZRjiu64SYAWDt6PQx-qlG8bRmmqkpPlo2srkE>
>>     Details: Chinese standard includes 25 positions of metadata (code of
>>     archive, its category, level of invenorisation, unique identifier,
>>     file numver, name of the scan creator, date of digital copying, date
>>     of the next conversion/migration, permission, notes, address of real
>>     location, original носитель, mode of digital copying, copying
>>     device, software and OS, name of file, size of file, format, video
>>     parameters, audio paremeters etc.)
>>     Something similar was  proposed for the Russian archives.
>>     With kind regards,
>>     Daria Hookk
>>     Senior Researcher of
>>     the dept. of archaeology of
>>     Eastern Europe and Siberia of
>>     the State Hermitage Museum,
>>     PhD, ICOMOS member
>>     E-mail: hookk at hermitage.ru <mailto:hookk at hermitage.ru>
>>     Skype: daria.hookk
>>     https://hermitage.academia.edu/HookkDaria
>>     <https://hermitage.academia.edu/HookkDaria>
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