[Crm-sig] ISSUE P114-P120 VOTE

Francesco Beretta francesco.beretta at cnrs.fr
Mon Jan 13 21:50:53 EET 2020


Dear Christian-Emil and Martin,

Thank you for providing the documentation.

I vote YES.

Best

Francesco

Le 12.01.20 à 20:33, Christian-Emil Smith Ore a écrit :
> ​Dear all,
>
> It may seem very dramatic to move the  P114-P120 to CRMarcheo. It is not These properties correspond more or less to the Allen operators which are not always ideal. Several years ago the SIG introduced the following alternatives:
>
>
> P173 starts before or at the end of (ends with or after the start of): E2 Temporal Entity
> P174 starts before (starts after the start of): E2 Temporal Entity
> P175 starts before or with the start of (starts with or after the start of) : E2 Temporal Entity
> P176 starts before the start of (starts after the start of): E2 Temporal Entity
> P182 ends before or at the start of (starts with or after the end of) : E2 Temporal Entity
> P183 ends before the start of (starts after the end of) : E2 Temporal Entity
> P184 ends before or with the end of (ends with or after the end of) : E2 Temporal Entity
> P185 ends before the end of (ends after the end of): E2 Temporal Entity
>
> ​These eight properties are superproperties of the P114-P120 as shown below.  The original idea (when P173-P185 where introduced, entirely  was to deprecate the P114-P120.  However,  it is too radical to simply remove them as the two comments in this email exchange show.  Since they are considered useful in archaeology the idea is to put them there.
>
> Best,
> Christian-Emil
>
>
>
>
> P173  starts before or with the end of (ends after or with the start of)
>
> P119i -   is met in time by
>
> P174  -   starts before the end of (ends after the start of)
>
> P118i  -    -   is overlapped in time by
>
> P134   -    -   continued (was continued by)            E7 Activity <-> E7 Activity
>
> P175   -    -   starts before or with the start of (starts after or with the start of)
>
> P176   -    -   -   starts before the start of (starts after the start of)
>
> P115i  -    -   -   -   is finished by
>
> P117i  -    -   -   -   includes
>
> P118   -    -   -   -   overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by)
>
> P182   -    -   -   -   ends before or at the start of (starts after or with the end of)
>
> P119   -    -   -   -   -   meets in time with (is met in time by)
>
> P183   -    -   -   -   -   ends before the start of (starts after the end of)
>
> P120  -    -   -   -   -   -   occurs  before (occurs  after)
>
> P116  -    -   -   starts (is started by)
>
> P114  -    -   -   is equal in time to
>
> P184  -    -   ends before or with the end of (ends with or after the end of)
>
> P114  -    -   -   is equal in time to
>
> P115  -    -   -   finishes (is finished by)
>
> P185  -    -   -   ends before the end of (ends after the end of)
>
> P116  -    -   -   -   starts (is started by)
>
> P117  -    -   -   -   occurs during (includes)
>
> P182  -    -   -   -   ends before or at the start of (starts after or with the end of)
>
> P118  -    -   -   -   overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by)
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Crm-sig <crm-sig-bounces at ics.forth.gr> on behalf of Francesco Beretta <francesco.beretta at cnrs.fr>
> Sent: 12 January 2020 11:54
> To: crm-sig at ics.forth.gr
> Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE P114-P120 VOTE
>
>
> Dear Martin and Christian-Emil,
>
> 1. is there any replacement foreseen for these quite useful properties in CRMbase ?
>
> 2. for the sake of clear documentation and legacy the vote proposal should be associated with the list and links to the correspondent issues, shouldn't it ?
>
> 3. I'm quite in favour of this vision of a core (CRMbase) and extensions (the family) but shouldn't we start working on a clear formalization of this integration (cf. e.g. the TEI) – or is this already done and I just don't know where to find it ?
>
> 4. One aspect of this task is to have a consistent URI definitions and dereferencing for CRMbase and family and their different versions.
>
>
> I think point 1 and 2 should be clarified to the voters before we vote. Just avoir B..x.. situations.
>
>
> All the best
>
> Francesco
>
>
> Le 12.01.20 à 11:13, Martin Doerr a écrit :
> Dear All,
>
> If you agree that
>
> "the following Allen's temporal relations should be deprecated in the CRMbase and reappear in CRMarcheo:
>
> P114 is equal in time to
> P115 finishes (is finished by)
> P116 starts (is started by)
> P117 occurs during (includes)
> P118 overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by)
> P119 meets in time with (is met in time by)
> P120 occurs before (occurs after)"
> PLEASE VOTE "YES"
> otherwise "NO"
> Best,
> Martin
>
> On 1/12/2020 10:29 AM, Christian-Emil Smith Ore wrote:
> Dear all,
> In the October 2019 meeting in Iraklio, we did a general cleanup of the CRM-document based on Martin's and my general review. It was a general understanding that the  SIG had decided that the following temporal relations should be deprecated in the CRMbase and reappear in CRMarcheo:
> P114 is equal in time to
> P115 finishes (is finished by)
> P116 starts (is started by)
> P117 occurs during (includes)
> P118 overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by)
> P119 meets in time with (is met in time by)
> P120 occurs before (occurs after)
>
> However, I cannot find any traces of such a decision neither in the amendment part, in the minutes the previous two years nor in the list of issues.
>
> I suggest that this decision could be done by email vote.
>
> Best,
> Christian-Emil
>
>
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