[Crm-sig] ISSUE P114-P120 VOTE

Øyvind Eide lister at oeide.no
Mon Jan 13 13:47:06 EET 2020


Dear Martin and Christian-Emil,

thanks for the explanations and reminders of past discussions. On this basis I vote: YES.

All the best,

Øyvind

> Am 12.01.2020 um 20:33 schrieb Christian-Emil Smith Ore <c.e.s.ore at iln.uio.no>:
> 
> ​Dear all,
> It may seem very dramatic to move the  P114-P120 to CRMarcheo. It is not These properties correspond more or less to the Allen operators which are not always ideal. Several years ago the SIG introduced the following alternatives:
> 
> P173 starts before or at the end of (ends with or after the start of): E2 Temporal Entity
> P174 starts before (starts after the start of): E2 Temporal Entity
> P175 starts before or with the start of (starts with or after the start of) : E2 Temporal Entity
> P176 starts before the start of (starts after the start of): E2 Temporal Entity
> P182 ends before or at the start of (starts with or after the end of) : E2 Temporal Entity
> P183 ends before the start of (starts after the end of) : E2 Temporal Entity
> P184 ends before or with the end of (ends with or after the end of) : E2 Temporal Entity
> P185 ends before the end of (ends after the end of): E2 Temporal Entity
> 
> ​These eight properties are superproperties of the P114-P120 as shown below.  The original idea (when P173-P185 where introduced, entirely  was to deprecate the P114-P120.  However,  it is too radical to simply remove them as the two comments in this email exchange show.  Since they are considered useful in archaeology the idea is to put them there.
> 
> Best,
> Christian-Emil
> 
> 
> 
> P173  starts before or with the end of (ends after or with the start of)                     
> P119i -   is met in time by              
> P174  -   starts before the end of (ends after the start of) 
> P118i  -    -   is overlapped in time by        
> P134   -    -   continued (was continued by)            E7 Activity <-> E7 Activity
> P175   -    -   starts before or with the start of (starts after or with the start of)      
> P176   -    -   -   starts before the start of (starts after the start of) 
> P115i  -    -   -   -   is finished by    
> P117i  -    -   -   -   includes              
> P118   -    -   -   -   overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by) 
> P182   -    -   -   -   ends before or at the start of (starts after or with the end of)    
> P119   -    -   -   -   -   meets in time with (is met in time by)             
> P183   -    -   -   -   -   ends before the start of (starts after the end of)         
> P120  -    -   -   -   -   -   occurs  before (occurs  after)            
> P116  -    -   -   starts (is started by)            
> P114  -    -   -   is equal in time to                
> P184  -    -   ends before or with the end of (ends with or after the end of)             
> P114  -    -   -   is equal in time to                
> P115  -    -   -   finishes (is finished by)       
> P185  -    -   -   ends before the end of (ends after the end of)        
> P116  -    -   -   -   starts (is started by)       
> P117  -    -   -   -   occurs during (includes)               
> P182  -    -   -   -   ends before or at the start of (starts after or with the end of)
> P118  -    -   -   -   overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by) 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Crm-sig <crm-sig-bounces at ics.forth.gr> on behalf of Francesco Beretta <francesco.beretta at cnrs.fr>
> Sent: 12 January 2020 11:54
> To: crm-sig at ics.forth.gr
> Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE P114-P120 VOTE
>  
> Dear Martin and Christian-Emil,
> 1. is there any replacement foreseen for these quite useful properties in CRMbase ?
> 2. for the sake of clear documentation and legacy the vote proposal should be associated with the list and links to the correspondent issues, shouldn't it ?
> 3. I'm quite in favour of this vision of a core (CRMbase) and extensions (the family) but shouldn't we start working on a clear formalization of this integration (cf. e.g. the TEI) – or is this already done and I just don't know where to find it ?
> 4. One aspect of this task is to have a consistent URI definitions and dereferencing for CRMbase and family and their different versions.
> 
> I think point 1 and 2 should be clarified to the voters before we vote. Just avoir B..x.. situations.
> 
> All the best
> Francesco
> 
> Le 12.01.20 à 11:13, Martin Doerr a écrit :
>> Dear All, 
>> 
>> If you agree that 
>> 
>> "the following Allen's temporal relations should be deprecated in the CRMbase and reappear in CRMarcheo: 
>> 
>> P114 is equal in time to 
>> P115 finishes (is finished by) 
>> P116 starts (is started by) 
>> P117 occurs during (includes) 
>> P118 overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by) 
>> P119 meets in time with (is met in time by) 
>> P120 occurs before (occurs after)" 
>> PLEASE VOTE "YES" 
>> otherwise "NO" 
>> Best, 
>> Martin 
>> 
>> On 1/12/2020 10:29 AM, Christian-Emil Smith Ore wrote: 
>>> Dear all, 
>>> In the October 2019 meeting in Iraklio, we did a general cleanup of the CRM-document based on Martin's and my general review. It was a general understanding that the  SIG had decided that the following temporal relations should be deprecated in the CRMbase and reappear in CRMarcheo: 
>>> P114 is equal in time to 
>>> P115 finishes (is finished by) 
>>> P116 starts (is started by) 
>>> P117 occurs during (includes) 
>>> P118 overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by) 
>>> P119 meets in time with (is met in time by) 
>>> P120 occurs before (occurs after) 
>>> 
>>> However, I cannot find any traces of such a decision neither in the amendment part, in the minutes the previous two years nor in the list of issues. 
>>> 
>>> I suggest that this decision could be done by email vote. 
>>> 
>>> Best, 
>>> Christian-Emil 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>> 
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