[Crm-sig] ISSUE P114-P120 VOTE
Øyvind Eide
lister at oeide.no
Mon Jan 13 13:47:06 EET 2020
Dear Martin and Christian-Emil,
thanks for the explanations and reminders of past discussions. On this basis I vote: YES.
All the best,
Øyvind
> Am 12.01.2020 um 20:33 schrieb Christian-Emil Smith Ore <c.e.s.ore at iln.uio.no>:
>
> Dear all,
> It may seem very dramatic to move the P114-P120 to CRMarcheo. It is not These properties correspond more or less to the Allen operators which are not always ideal. Several years ago the SIG introduced the following alternatives:
>
> P173 starts before or at the end of (ends with or after the start of): E2 Temporal Entity
> P174 starts before (starts after the start of): E2 Temporal Entity
> P175 starts before or with the start of (starts with or after the start of) : E2 Temporal Entity
> P176 starts before the start of (starts after the start of): E2 Temporal Entity
> P182 ends before or at the start of (starts with or after the end of) : E2 Temporal Entity
> P183 ends before the start of (starts after the end of) : E2 Temporal Entity
> P184 ends before or with the end of (ends with or after the end of) : E2 Temporal Entity
> P185 ends before the end of (ends after the end of): E2 Temporal Entity
>
> These eight properties are superproperties of the P114-P120 as shown below. The original idea (when P173-P185 where introduced, entirely was to deprecate the P114-P120. However, it is too radical to simply remove them as the two comments in this email exchange show. Since they are considered useful in archaeology the idea is to put them there.
>
> Best,
> Christian-Emil
>
>
>
> P173 starts before or with the end of (ends after or with the start of)
> P119i - is met in time by
> P174 - starts before the end of (ends after the start of)
> P118i - - is overlapped in time by
> P134 - - continued (was continued by) E7 Activity <-> E7 Activity
> P175 - - starts before or with the start of (starts after or with the start of)
> P176 - - - starts before the start of (starts after the start of)
> P115i - - - - is finished by
> P117i - - - - includes
> P118 - - - - overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by)
> P182 - - - - ends before or at the start of (starts after or with the end of)
> P119 - - - - - meets in time with (is met in time by)
> P183 - - - - - ends before the start of (starts after the end of)
> P120 - - - - - - occurs before (occurs after)
> P116 - - - starts (is started by)
> P114 - - - is equal in time to
> P184 - - ends before or with the end of (ends with or after the end of)
> P114 - - - is equal in time to
> P115 - - - finishes (is finished by)
> P185 - - - ends before the end of (ends after the end of)
> P116 - - - - starts (is started by)
> P117 - - - - occurs during (includes)
> P182 - - - - ends before or at the start of (starts after or with the end of)
> P118 - - - - overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by)
>
>
>
> From: Crm-sig <crm-sig-bounces at ics.forth.gr> on behalf of Francesco Beretta <francesco.beretta at cnrs.fr>
> Sent: 12 January 2020 11:54
> To: crm-sig at ics.forth.gr
> Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE P114-P120 VOTE
>
> Dear Martin and Christian-Emil,
> 1. is there any replacement foreseen for these quite useful properties in CRMbase ?
> 2. for the sake of clear documentation and legacy the vote proposal should be associated with the list and links to the correspondent issues, shouldn't it ?
> 3. I'm quite in favour of this vision of a core (CRMbase) and extensions (the family) but shouldn't we start working on a clear formalization of this integration (cf. e.g. the TEI) – or is this already done and I just don't know where to find it ?
> 4. One aspect of this task is to have a consistent URI definitions and dereferencing for CRMbase and family and their different versions.
>
> I think point 1 and 2 should be clarified to the voters before we vote. Just avoir B..x.. situations.
>
> All the best
> Francesco
>
> Le 12.01.20 à 11:13, Martin Doerr a écrit :
>> Dear All,
>>
>> If you agree that
>>
>> "the following Allen's temporal relations should be deprecated in the CRMbase and reappear in CRMarcheo:
>>
>> P114 is equal in time to
>> P115 finishes (is finished by)
>> P116 starts (is started by)
>> P117 occurs during (includes)
>> P118 overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by)
>> P119 meets in time with (is met in time by)
>> P120 occurs before (occurs after)"
>> PLEASE VOTE "YES"
>> otherwise "NO"
>> Best,
>> Martin
>>
>> On 1/12/2020 10:29 AM, Christian-Emil Smith Ore wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>> In the October 2019 meeting in Iraklio, we did a general cleanup of the CRM-document based on Martin's and my general review. It was a general understanding that the SIG had decided that the following temporal relations should be deprecated in the CRMbase and reappear in CRMarcheo:
>>> P114 is equal in time to
>>> P115 finishes (is finished by)
>>> P116 starts (is started by)
>>> P117 occurs during (includes)
>>> P118 overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by)
>>> P119 meets in time with (is met in time by)
>>> P120 occurs before (occurs after)
>>>
>>> However, I cannot find any traces of such a decision neither in the amendment part, in the minutes the previous two years nor in the list of issues.
>>>
>>> I suggest that this decision could be done by email vote.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Christian-Emil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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