[Crm-sig] ISSUE P114-P120 VOTE

Detlev Balzer db at balilabs.de
Sun Jan 12 22:50:23 EET 2020


Thanks Martin and Christian-Emil, for the explanations.

Honestly, I had forgotten about P137 ... and P182 ...

Therefore I revise my vote to YES.

Detlev

> Christian-Emil Smith Ore <c.e.s.ore at iln.uio.no> hat am 12. Januar 2020 um 20:33 geschrieben:
> 
> 
> ​Dear all,
> 
> It may seem very dramatic to move the  P114-P120 to CRMarcheo. It is not These properties correspond more or less to the Allen operators which are not always ideal. Several years ago the SIG introduced the following alternatives:
> 
> 
> P173 starts before or at the end of (ends with or after the start of): E2 Temporal Entity
> P174 starts before (starts after the start of): E2 Temporal Entity
> P175 starts before or with the start of (starts with or after the start of) : E2 Temporal Entity
> P176 starts before the start of (starts after the start of): E2 Temporal Entity
> P182 ends before or at the start of (starts with or after the end of) : E2 Temporal Entity
> P183 ends before the start of (starts after the end of) : E2 Temporal Entity
> P184 ends before or with the end of (ends with or after the end of) : E2 Temporal Entity
> P185 ends before the end of (ends after the end of): E2 Temporal Entity
> 
> ​These eight properties are superproperties of the P114-P120 as shown below.  The original idea (when P173-P185 where introduced, entirely  was to deprecate the P114-P120.  However,  it is too radical to simply remove them as the two comments in this email exchange show.  Since they are considered useful in archaeology the idea is to put them there.
> 
> Best,
> Christian-Emil
> 
> 
> 
> 
> P173  starts before or with the end of (ends after or with the start of)
> 
> P119i -   is met in time by
> 
> P174  -   starts before the end of (ends after the start of)
> 
> P118i  -    -   is overlapped in time by
> 
> P134   -    -   continued (was continued by)            E7 Activity <-> E7 Activity
> 
> P175   -    -   starts before or with the start of (starts after or with the start of)
> 
> P176   -    -   -   starts before the start of (starts after the start of)
> 
> P115i  -    -   -   -   is finished by
> 
> P117i  -    -   -   -   includes
> 
> P118   -    -   -   -   overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by)
> 
> P182   -    -   -   -   ends before or at the start of (starts after or with the end of)
> 
> P119   -    -   -   -   -   meets in time with (is met in time by)
> 
> P183   -    -   -   -   -   ends before the start of (starts after the end of)
> 
> P120  -    -   -   -   -   -   occurs  before (occurs  after)
> 
> P116  -    -   -   starts (is started by)
> 
> P114  -    -   -   is equal in time to
> 
> P184  -    -   ends before or with the end of (ends with or after the end of)
> 
> P114  -    -   -   is equal in time to
> 
> P115  -    -   -   finishes (is finished by)
> 
> P185  -    -   -   ends before the end of (ends after the end of)
> 
> P116  -    -   -   -   starts (is started by)
> 
> P117  -    -   -   -   occurs during (includes)
> 
> P182  -    -   -   -   ends before or at the start of (starts after or with the end of)
> 
> P118  -    -   -   -   overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Crm-sig <crm-sig-bounces at ics.forth.gr> on behalf of Francesco Beretta <francesco.beretta at cnrs.fr>
> Sent: 12 January 2020 11:54
> To: crm-sig at ics.forth.gr
> Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE P114-P120 VOTE
> 
> 
> Dear Martin and Christian-Emil,
> 
> 1. is there any replacement foreseen for these quite useful properties in CRMbase ?
> 
> 2. for the sake of clear documentation and legacy the vote proposal should be associated with the list and links to the correspondent issues, shouldn't it ?
> 
> 3. I'm quite in favour of this vision of a core (CRMbase) and extensions (the family) but shouldn't we start working on a clear formalization of this integration (cf. e.g. the TEI) – or is this already done and I just don't know where to find it ?
> 
> 4. One aspect of this task is to have a consistent URI definitions and dereferencing for CRMbase and family and their different versions.
> 
> 
> I think point 1 and 2 should be clarified to the voters before we vote. Just avoir B..x.. situations.
> 
> 
> All the best
> 
> Francesco
> 
> 
> Le 12.01.20 à 11:13, Martin Doerr a écrit :
> Dear All,
> 
> If you agree that
> 
> "the following Allen's temporal relations should be deprecated in the CRMbase and reappear in CRMarcheo:
> 
> P114 is equal in time to
> P115 finishes (is finished by)
> P116 starts (is started by)
> P117 occurs during (includes)
> P118 overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by)
> P119 meets in time with (is met in time by)
> P120 occurs before (occurs after)"
> PLEASE VOTE "YES"
> otherwise "NO"
> Best,
> Martin
> 
> On 1/12/2020 10:29 AM, Christian-Emil Smith Ore wrote:
> Dear all,
> In the October 2019 meeting in Iraklio, we did a general cleanup of the CRM-document based on Martin's and my general review. It was a general understanding that the  SIG had decided that the following temporal relations should be deprecated in the CRMbase and reappear in CRMarcheo:
> P114 is equal in time to
> P115 finishes (is finished by)
> P116 starts (is started by)
> P117 occurs during (includes)
> P118 overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by)
> P119 meets in time with (is met in time by)
> P120 occurs before (occurs after)
> 
> However, I cannot find any traces of such a decision neither in the amendment part, in the minutes the previous two years nor in the list of issues.
> 
> I suggest that this decision could be done by email vote.
> 
> Best,
> Christian-Emil
> 
> 
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