[Crm-sig] ISSUE P114-P120 VOTE

Christian-Emil Smith Ore c.e.s.ore at iln.uio.no
Sun Jan 12 21:33:47 EET 2020


​Dear all,

It may seem very dramatic to move the  P114-P120 to CRMarcheo. It is not These properties correspond more or less to the Allen operators which are not always ideal. Several years ago the SIG introduced the following alternatives:


P173 starts before or at the end of (ends with or after the start of): E2 Temporal Entity
P174 starts before (starts after the start of): E2 Temporal Entity
P175 starts before or with the start of (starts with or after the start of) : E2 Temporal Entity
P176 starts before the start of (starts after the start of): E2 Temporal Entity
P182 ends before or at the start of (starts with or after the end of) : E2 Temporal Entity
P183 ends before the start of (starts after the end of) : E2 Temporal Entity
P184 ends before or with the end of (ends with or after the end of) : E2 Temporal Entity
P185 ends before the end of (ends after the end of): E2 Temporal Entity

​These eight properties are superproperties of the P114-P120 as shown below.  The original idea (when P173-P185 where introduced, entirely  was to deprecate the P114-P120.  However,  it is too radical to simply remove them as the two comments in this email exchange show.  Since they are considered useful in archaeology the idea is to put them there.

Best,
Christian-Emil




P173  starts before or with the end of (ends after or with the start of)

P119i -   is met in time by

P174  -   starts before the end of (ends after the start of)

P118i  -    -   is overlapped in time by

P134   -    -   continued (was continued by)            E7 Activity <-> E7 Activity

P175   -    -   starts before or with the start of (starts after or with the start of)

P176   -    -   -   starts before the start of (starts after the start of)

P115i  -    -   -   -   is finished by

P117i  -    -   -   -   includes

P118   -    -   -   -   overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by)

P182   -    -   -   -   ends before or at the start of (starts after or with the end of)

P119   -    -   -   -   -   meets in time with (is met in time by)

P183   -    -   -   -   -   ends before the start of (starts after the end of)

P120  -    -   -   -   -   -   occurs  before (occurs  after)

P116  -    -   -   starts (is started by)

P114  -    -   -   is equal in time to

P184  -    -   ends before or with the end of (ends with or after the end of)

P114  -    -   -   is equal in time to

P115  -    -   -   finishes (is finished by)

P185  -    -   -   ends before the end of (ends after the end of)

P116  -    -   -   -   starts (is started by)

P117  -    -   -   -   occurs during (includes)

P182  -    -   -   -   ends before or at the start of (starts after or with the end of)

P118  -    -   -   -   overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by)




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From: Crm-sig <crm-sig-bounces at ics.forth.gr> on behalf of Francesco Beretta <francesco.beretta at cnrs.fr>
Sent: 12 January 2020 11:54
To: crm-sig at ics.forth.gr
Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE P114-P120 VOTE


Dear Martin and Christian-Emil,

1. is there any replacement foreseen for these quite useful properties in CRMbase ?

2. for the sake of clear documentation and legacy the vote proposal should be associated with the list and links to the correspondent issues, shouldn't it ?

3. I'm quite in favour of this vision of a core (CRMbase) and extensions (the family) but shouldn't we start working on a clear formalization of this integration (cf. e.g. the TEI) – or is this already done and I just don't know where to find it ?

4. One aspect of this task is to have a consistent URI definitions and dereferencing for CRMbase and family and their different versions.


I think point 1 and 2 should be clarified to the voters before we vote. Just avoir B..x.. situations.


All the best

Francesco


Le 12.01.20 à 11:13, Martin Doerr a écrit :
Dear All,

If you agree that

"the following Allen's temporal relations should be deprecated in the CRMbase and reappear in CRMarcheo:

P114 is equal in time to
P115 finishes (is finished by)
P116 starts (is started by)
P117 occurs during (includes)
P118 overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by)
P119 meets in time with (is met in time by)
P120 occurs before (occurs after)"
PLEASE VOTE "YES"
otherwise "NO"
Best,
Martin

On 1/12/2020 10:29 AM, Christian-Emil Smith Ore wrote:
Dear all,
In the October 2019 meeting in Iraklio, we did a general cleanup of the CRM-document based on Martin's and my general review. It was a general understanding that the  SIG had decided that the following temporal relations should be deprecated in the CRMbase and reappear in CRMarcheo:
P114 is equal in time to
P115 finishes (is finished by)
P116 starts (is started by)
P117 occurs during (includes)
P118 overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by)
P119 meets in time with (is met in time by)
P120 occurs before (occurs after)

However, I cannot find any traces of such a decision neither in the amendment part, in the minutes the previous two years nor in the list of issues.

I suggest that this decision could be done by email vote.

Best,
Christian-Emil


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