[Crm-sig] Broaden scope of P125

Athanasios Velios thanasis at softicon.co.uk
Fri Oct 11 23:31:25 EEST 2019


Yep, this looks right. Sorry I missed it. And it was right next door.

T.

On 11/10/2019 20:49, Martin Doerr wrote:
> Oops,
> 
> The case described by Thanassis should be documented with P126. Isn't it??
> 
> 
>       P126 employed (was employed in)
> 
> Domain: E11 <#_E11_Modification> Modification
> 
> Range: E57 <#_E57_Material> Material
> 
> Quantification:    many to many (0,n:0,n)
> 
> Scope note: This property identifies E57 Material employed in an E11 
> Modification.
> 
> The E57 Material used during the E11 Modification does not necessarily 
> become incorporated into the E24 Physical Man-Made Thing that forms the 
> subject of the E11 Modification.
> 
> Examples:
> 
> § the repairing of the Queen Mary (E11) employed Steel (E57)
> 
> § distilled water (E57) was employed in the restoration of the Sistine 
> Chapel (E11)
> 
> In First Order Logic:
> 
>                             P126(x,y) ⊃ E11(x)
> 
>                             P126(x,y) ⊃ E57(y)
> 
> 
> On 10/11/2019 10:22 PM, Martin Doerr wrote:
>> Dear All,
>>
>> I support the broadening to materials in general. It always implies a 
>> certain portion of the respective material has been employed or 
>> applied, even it was never document as an object out of this context.
>>
>> I do not support "used: blue light". I would document that as 
>> technique, not as object used. There is no need for a new property or 
>> scope note to do that.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> On 10/11/2019 1:33 AM, Robert Sanderson wrote:
>>>
>>> Given that it’s not a change to the domain or range, only to the 
>>> scope of the sorts of things that the range can then be applied to, 
>>> it seems easiest and well justified to change the scope note to allow 
>>> further types.
>>>
>>> Is there scope for other physical (non-solid, non-liquid) phenomena 
>>> to be included as well? The multispectral photograph’s production 
>>> used_object_of_type <blue light> ?
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>> *From: *Crm-sig <crm-sig-bounces at ics.forth.gr> on behalf of 
>>> Athanasios Velios <thanasis at softicon.co.uk>
>>> *Reply-To: *"thanasis at softicon.co.uk" <thanasis at softicon.co.uk>
>>> *Date: *Wednesday, October 9, 2019 at 3:07 PM
>>> *To: *"crm-sig at ics.forth.gr" <crm-sig at ics.forth.gr>
>>> *Subject: *[Crm-sig] Broaden scope of P125
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Conservators use a range of materials for their treatments. The
>>>
>>> treatments can be modelled as "E7 Activity" and the "P125 used object of
>>>
>>> type" describes things used during the activity. The scope note only
>>>
>>> refers to objects (i.e. solid human-made things). It would be useful if
>>>
>>> the scope of this property could be broader to also include non-solid
>>>
>>> things such as fluids (e.g. the use of a type of solvent for cleaning).
>>>
>>> Unless this can be described in another way I suggest to change the
>>>
>>> scope note of P125 from:
>>>
>>> This property defines the kind of objects used in an E7 Activity, when
>>>
>>> the specific instance is either unknown or not of interest, such as use
>>>
>>> of "a hammer".
>>>
>>> to:
>>>
>>> This property defines the kind of physical things (solid and non-solid)
>>>
>>> used in an E7 Activity, when the specific instance is either unknown or
>>>
>>> not of interest, such as use of "a hammer" or the use of "toluene".
>>>
>>> The alternative would be to create a new property in CRMsci to include
>>>
>>> types of Material Substantial, but given that the range of P125 is only
>>>
>>> E55 Type, the nature of the thing can be easily retrieved and I do not
>>>
>>> think a new property is necessary.
>>>
>>> Any other suggestions?
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Thanasis
>>>
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