[Crm-sig] Broaden scope of P125
martin at ics.forth.gr
Fri Oct 11 22:49:25 EEST 2019
The case described by Thanassis should be documented with P126. Isn't it??
P126 employed (was employed in)
Domain: E11 <#_E11_Modification> Modification
Range: E57 <#_E57_Material> Material
Quantification: many to many (0,n:0,n)
Scope note: This property identifies E57 Material employed in an E11
The E57 Material used during the E11 Modification does not necessarily
become incorporated into the E24 Physical Man-Made Thing that forms the
subject of the E11 Modification.
§ the repairing of the Queen Mary (E11) employed Steel (E57)
§ distilled water (E57) was employed in the restoration of the Sistine
In First Order Logic:
P126(x,y) ⊃ E11(x)
P126(x,y) ⊃ E57(y)
On 10/11/2019 10:22 PM, Martin Doerr wrote:
> Dear All,
> I support the broadening to materials in general. It always implies a
> certain portion of the respective material has been employed or
> applied, even it was never document as an object out of this context.
> I do not support "used: blue light". I would document that as
> technique, not as object used. There is no need for a new property or
> scope note to do that.
> On 10/11/2019 1:33 AM, Robert Sanderson wrote:
>> Given that it’s not a change to the domain or range, only to the
>> scope of the sorts of things that the range can then be applied to,
>> it seems easiest and well justified to change the scope note to allow
>> further types.
>> Is there scope for other physical (non-solid, non-liquid) phenomena
>> to be included as well? The multispectral photograph’s production
>> used_object_of_type <blue light> ?
>> *From: *Crm-sig <crm-sig-bounces at ics.forth.gr> on behalf of
>> Athanasios Velios <thanasis at softicon.co.uk>
>> *Reply-To: *"thanasis at softicon.co.uk" <thanasis at softicon.co.uk>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, October 9, 2019 at 3:07 PM
>> *To: *"crm-sig at ics.forth.gr" <crm-sig at ics.forth.gr>
>> *Subject: *[Crm-sig] Broaden scope of P125
>> Conservators use a range of materials for their treatments. The
>> treatments can be modelled as "E7 Activity" and the "P125 used object of
>> type" describes things used during the activity. The scope note only
>> refers to objects (i.e. solid human-made things). It would be useful if
>> the scope of this property could be broader to also include non-solid
>> things such as fluids (e.g. the use of a type of solvent for cleaning).
>> Unless this can be described in another way I suggest to change the
>> scope note of P125 from:
>> This property defines the kind of objects used in an E7 Activity, when
>> the specific instance is either unknown or not of interest, such as use
>> of "a hammer".
>> This property defines the kind of physical things (solid and non-solid)
>> used in an E7 Activity, when the specific instance is either unknown or
>> not of interest, such as use of "a hammer" or the use of "toluene".
>> The alternative would be to create a new property in CRMsci to include
>> types of Material Substantial, but given that the range of P125 is only
>> E55 Type, the nature of the thing can be easily retrieved and I do not
>> think a new property is necessary.
>> Any other suggestions?
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Center for Cultural Informatics
Information Systems Laboratory
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Email: martin at ics.forth.gr
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