[Crm-sig] New Issue: Pxxx holds or supports

Martin Doerr martin at ics.forth.gr
Wed Jul 17 22:13:53 EEST 2019

Dear All,

I support this issue.

My only concern is the following phrase: " This property is similar to 
P56 bears feature (is found on),". To my opinion, there must not be 
"similar" properties in the CRM. Whatever the distinction, it must be 
explicit and decidable.

I suggest two different interpretations: The new property being 
superproperty of P56 (preferred) or
definitely distinct. In the latter case, the range should be Physical 

A confusion with P46 should not occur, because this is about location. I 
would not exclude components from the new property, such as a chessman 
being in a box, whereas a set of chessman without a box would be not 
within anything.



On 7/12/2019 9:32 PM, Robert Sanderson wrote:
> Dear all,
> Following from the discussion about how to represent objects that 
> contain or otherwise provide a location for other objects, without 
> necessarily instantiating a Place for them to be located at, I would 
> like to propose a new property for CRM Base, following the pattern of 
> P8 took place on or within. Martin suggested “is located on or within” 
> however this is the label of the inverse of P59 has section, which is 
> used as part of the full path. To have both properties with the same 
> label would be incredibly confusing!
> As a first attempt at a definition, please see below.
> Rob
> Pxxx holds or supports (is held or supported by)
> Domain: E18 Physical Thing
> Range: E18 Physical Thing
> Quantification: many to many
> Scope Note:
> This property relates one E18 Physical Thing which acts as a container 
> or support, such as a shelf, for another E18 Physical Thing.  Pxxx 
> holds or supports is a shortcut of the more fully developed path from 
> the domain E18 Physical Thing through P59 has section, E53 Place, P53i 
> is former or current location of, to the range E18 Physical Thing.  
> This property is similar to P56 bears feature (is found on), except 
> that the range resource can be any Physical Thing rather than only a 
> Physical Feature, and it is not a sub property of P46 is composed of, 
> as the held or supported object is not a component of the container or 
> support.
> This property can be used to avoid explicitly instantiating the E53 
> Place which is defined by a Physical Thing, especially when the only 
> intended use of that Physical Thing is to act as a container or 
> surface for the storage of other Physical Things. The place’s 
> existence is defined by the existence of the container or surface, and 
> will go out of existence at the same time as the Destruction of the 
> container or surface. As such, there are very few situations in which 
> the identity of the place needs to be distinguished from the defining 
> physical thing.
> Examples:
> ·         The archival folder (E22) “6” _/holds or supports/_ the 
> piece of paper (E22) carrying the text of a letter from Alloway to Sleigh
> ·         The artist’s materials box (E22) labeled “VG6” _/holds or 
> supports/_ Van Gogh’s paintbrush 23 (E22)
> ·         The storage box “VG” (E22)  _/holds or supports/_ the 
> artist’s materials box (E22) labeled “VG6”
>   · The bronze coin bank “72.AC.99” (E22) _/holds or supports/_ silver 
> coin “72.AC.99-1” (E22)
>   · The bookshelf “GRI-708.1” (E22) _/holds or supports/_ the book 
> (E22) “Catalog of Paintings in the J. Paul Getty Museum”
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  Dr. Martin Doerr
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