[Crm-sig] New Issue: Re-label E22, E25, E71 to remove "Man-"

Martin Doerr martin at ics.forth.gr
Wed Apr 24 20:15:23 EEST 2019

Dear Melanie,

I totally respect and like your position, but here I have been 
misunderstood completely:

I meant the discussion about gender neutral language may distract from 
discussing how to deal in reality with men and women not only as equals, 
but in deep mutual respect and actually doing it. Using "politically 
correct" language is not per se respecting, but just silencing.

I was impressed by 

For German readers, she explains the difference between tolerance and 

See for instance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmy_Noether

"As one of the leading mathematicians of her time, she developed the 
theories of rings <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_(mathematics)>, 
fields <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_(mathematics)>, and algebras 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebra_over_a_field>. In physics, 
Noether's theorem <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether%27s_theorem> 
explains the connection between symmetry 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetry_in_physics> and conservation 
laws <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_law_(physics)>.^[4] 
"In 1932 Emmy Noether and Emil Artin 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Artin> received the 
Ackermann–Teubner Memorial Award 
for their contributions to mathematics.[70] 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmy_Noether#cite_note-72> The prize 
included a monetary reward of 500 Reichsmarks 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Reichsmark> and was seen as a 
long-overdue official recognition of her considerable work in the field. 
Nevertheless, her colleagues expressed frustration at the fact that she 
was not elected to the Göttingen Gesellschaft der Wissenschaften 
(academy of sciences) and was never promoted to the position of 
Ordentlicher Professor[71] 
(full professor).[34]" 

Her work is foundational to modern physics. Nevertheless, I have not 
heard her name in my studies at the university. I heard that her work 
was later partially attributed to male successors.

The CRM is intended to be factual. Representing provenance of knowledge 
may be a method to reveal such things. Replacing man-made by human-made 
is not.
Inclusivity is definitely a goal of the model, and an ethical discussion 
is not a distraction from "work".:-)

Anyway, I'll send out the Vote. By the way, any SIG member can issue a 
call for vote.^



On 4/23/2019 12:56 PM, melanie.roche at bnf.fr wrote:
> Dear all,
> I strongly support Robert's suggestion, and thank him for making it.
> To answer Martin, I do believe language awareness makes a difference 
> in the real-world situation of men and women. And while it may be a 
> distraction from the work (I totally get that inclusivity is not the 
> /point/ of the model), 

  Dr. Martin Doerr
  Honorary Head of the
  Center for Cultural Informatics
  Information Systems Laboratory
  Institute of Computer Science
  Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH)
  N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton,
  GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece
  Email:martin at ics.forth.gr   

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