[Crm-sig] New Issue: Re-label E22, E25, E71 to remove "Man-"

Pierre Choffé choffepierre at gmail.com
Fri Apr 12 13:02:02 EEST 2019

Dear all,

This subject is typical of the politically correct attitude of our times and most people (including me) generally avoid getting involved in such discussions - especially on social media where you would immediately get drowned in a flood of insults - and the result is that we have a feeling of consensus on the matter.

Now, we as a community might have a different point of view, starting with the knowledge we have of the origin of the word "man" (please consult the wikipedia page ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_(word) ) for a brief introduction). Can we please avoid this kind of discussions and leave it to Twitter and Facebook ?

Et pax in Terra hominibus bonae volontatis... (any woman feeling excluded here ?)

Have a nice day,

On Fri, Apr 12th, 2019 at 11:2 AM, Athanasios Velios <a.velios at arts.ac.uk> wrote:

> I support the change of the English labels to:
> E22 Made Object
> E25 Made Feature
> E71 Made Thing
> And I think this can be proposed as an issue to be voted through the SIG
> list.
> All the best,
> Thanasis
> On 12/04/2019 05:38, Robert Sanderson wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > On behalf of the Linked Art consortium, I would like to propose that the
> > labels for E22 Man-Made Object, E25 Man-Made Feature and E71 Man-Made
> > Thing be changed to drop the unnecessarily gendered “Man-“. In this day
> > and age, I think we should recognize that inclusion and diversity are
> > core features of community acceptance, and that including gender-biased
> > language is alienating.
> >
> > Thus the proposal is: E22’s label should be changed to Made Object, E25
> > changed to Made Feature and E71 changed to Made Thing.
> >
> > The “human” nature of the agent that does the making is explicit in the
> > ontology, in that only humans or groups there-of can be Actors and carry
> > out Productions or Creations, so there is no ambiguity about non-humans
> > making these.
> >
> > This issue was discussed at length, and has been open in our profile’s
> > tracker for 12 months now. We would greatly prefer that it be solved by
> > changing the labels in the documentation, and thereby in the RDFS,
> > rather than other RDF specific approaches such as minting new terms and
> > using owl:sameAs to assert equality, or rebranding only in the JSON-LD
> > serialization but persisting in other serializations. The change is
> > consistent, reduces the length of the class names, and is an easy
> > substitution. The comprehensibility of the label is still the same.
> > Given the renaming of Collection to Curated Holding, migration of
> > existing data has the same solution - just substitute the labels.
> >
> > As a second choice, if the above is not acceptable, we propose to
> > instead replace “Man-“ with “Human-“ … only two additional characters,
> > but a bit more of a mouthful.
> >
> > Many thanks for your engagement with this issue!
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
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