[Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: symbolic content

Mark Fichtner m.fichtner at wiss-ki.eu
Thu Sep 20 14:18:39 EEST 2018


Dear all,

thanks for the proposal Martin. I think it should have some relation to P3
- probably it is a subproperty? Especially the examples really make it look
like a subproperty to P3.

Best,

Mark

2018-09-19 22:09 GMT+02:00 Martin Doerr <martin at ics.forth.gr>:

> Here my scope note:
>
> Pxxx has symbolic content
>
> Domain:             E90 Symbolic Object
> <#m_-5231204896452987831__E2_Temporal_Entity>
>
> Range:                E62 String
>
> Quantification:    many to many (0,n:0,n) ??
>
>
>
> Scope note:         This property associates  an instance of E90 Symbolic
> Object with a complete, identifying representation of its content in the
> form of an instance of E62 String. This property only applies to instances
> of E90 Symbolic Object that can be represented completely in this form. The
> representation may be more specific than the symbolic level defining the
> identity condition of the represented. This depends on the type of the
> symbolic object represented. For instance, if a name has type "Modern Greek
> character sequence", it may be represented in a loss-free Latin
> transcription, meaning however the sequence of Greek letters. As another
> example, if the represented object has type "English words sequence",
> American English or British English spelling variants may be chosen to
> represent the English word "colour" without defining a different symbolic
> object. If a name has type "European traditional name", no particular
> string may define its content.
>
>
>
> Examples:
>
>
> * The materials description (E33) of the painting (E22)  _*has symbolic
> content*_ “Oil, French Watercolors on Paper, Graphite and Ink on Canvas,
> with an Oak frame.”
>
> * The title (E35) of Einstein’s 1915 text (E73) _*has symbolic content*_
> “Relativity, the Special and the General Theory“
>
> * The story of Little Red Riding Hood (E33) _*has symbolic content*_
> “Once upon a time there lived in a certain village …”
> * The inscription (E34) on Rijksmuseum object SK-A-1601 (E22) _*has
> symbolic content*_ “B”
>
>
>
>
> On 9/17/2018 10:38 PM, Robert Sanderson wrote:
>
>
>
> Examples I have a lot of!
>
>
>
>
>
> How about …
>
>
>
> * The materials description (E33) of the painting (E22)  _*has symbolic
> content*_ “Oil, French Watercolors on Paper, Graphite and Ink on Canvas,
> with an Oak frame.”
>
> * The title (E35) of Einstein’s 1915 text (E73) _*has symbolic content*_
> “Relativity, the Special and the General Theory“
>
> * The story of Little Red Riding Hood (E33) _*has symbolic content*_
> “Once upon a time there lived in a certain village …”
>
> * The inscription (E34) on Rijksmuseum object SK-A-1601 (E22) _*has
> symbolic content*_ “B”
>
>
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Crm-sig <crm-sig-bounces at ics.forth.gr>
> <crm-sig-bounces at ics.forth.gr> on behalf of Richard Light
> <richard at light.demon.co.uk> <richard at light.demon.co.uk>
> *Date: *Monday, September 17, 2018 at 12:09 PM
> *To: *"crm-sig at ics.forth.gr" <crm-sig at ics.forth.gr> <crm-sig at ics.forth.gr>
> <crm-sig at ics.forth.gr>
> *Subject: *Re: [Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: symbolic content
>
>
>
> Rob,
>
> Absolutely.  So now we need to draft the text to describe this property,
> in suitably generalized terms, for the CRM, and then update our RDF
> documentation to say exactly how it is to be used in that context.  Perhaps
> we should start with some examples?
>
> Richard
>
> On 17/09/2018 19:49, Robert Sanderson wrote:
>
>
>
> Thank you, Martin! I think this is exactly what we need ☺
>
>
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> *From: *Crm-sig <crm-sig-bounces at ics.forth.gr>
> <crm-sig-bounces at ics.forth.gr> on behalf of Martin Doerr
> <martin at ics.forth.gr> <martin at ics.forth.gr>
> *Date: *Friday, September 14, 2018 at 10:23 AM
> *To: *"crm-sig at ics.forth.gr" <crm-sig at ics.forth.gr> <crm-sig at ics.forth.gr>
> <crm-sig at ics.forth.gr>
> *Subject: *[Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: symbolic content
>
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> I propose a new property of Symbolic Object : "has symbolic content :
> String" , in RDFS subproperty of rdfs:value.
>
> The "level of symbolic specificity" by which the String is interpreted
> should conform to the type of the Symbolic Object.
>
> Best,
>
> Martin
>
> On 9/14/2018 7:54 PM, Richard Light wrote:
>
>
>
> On 13/09/2018 20:57, Martin Doerr wrote:
>
> Dear Richard,
>
>
>
>
>
> What we need, to my opinion, is a property of Symbolic Object we may call
> it "has symbolic content" or "has symbolic content inline" or anything
> better, which defines that the symbolic content *is identical to* the
> Literal, *abstracted *to the "level of symbolic specificity" that the
> Literal implies and that conforms to the identity condition of the Symbolic
> Object, i.e., characters of a certain script, or whatever. That would make
> the meaning of the "value" unambiguous.
>
> Again, I'm in complete agreement with this line of thought.  One decision
> we should make is whether this property forms part of the generic CRM
> framework, or if it is to be an implementation-specific property which only
> appears in our RDF implementation of the CRM.  My instinct is for it to go
> into the CRM proper: the treatment of Symbolic Object and its subclasses
> would I think be made clearer by the addition of this property.
>
> For CRM proper!
>
> OK: perhaps we should start a new issue to address this?
>
>
>
>
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