[Crm-sig] Issue 383 Homework

Martin Doerr martin at ics.forth.gr
Tue Nov 6 16:46:24 EET 2018


Dear All,

I had sent the below as new issue, but it is indeed the answer to Issue 383.

The question is, how to deal with a file, which is more specific in 
content, such as an MS Word, but represents the character sequence that 
defines the content of the respective E90. Is is "is incorporated in", 
or a subproperty of it?

On 9/19/2018 11:09 PM, Martin Doerr wrote:
> Here my scope note:
>
>
>       Pxxx has symbolic content
>
> Domain:             E90 Symbolic Object
> <#_E2_Temporal_Entity>
>
> Range:E62 String
>
> Quantification:many to many (0,n:0,n) ??
>
  In CRM RDFS   subproperty of: rdfs:value
>
> Scope note:This property associates  an instance of E90 Symbolic 
> Object with a complete, identifying representation of its content in 
> the form of an instance of E62 String. This property only applies to 
> instances of E90 Symbolic Object that can be represented completely in 
> this form. The representation may be more specific than the symbolic 
> level defining the identity condition of the represented. This depends 
> on the type of the symbolic object represented. For instance, if a 
> name has type "Modern Greek character sequence", it may be represented 
> in a loss-free Latin transcription, meaning however the sequence of 
> Greek letters. As another example, if the represented object has type 
> "English words sequence", American English or British English spelling 
> variants may be chosen to represent the English word "colour" without 
> defining a different symbolic object. If a name has type "European 
> traditional name", no particular string may define its content.
>
>
> Examples:
>
>
> * The materials description (E33) of the painting (E22)  _/has 
> symbolic content/_ “Oil, French Watercolors on Paper, Graphite and Ink 
> on Canvas, with an Oak frame.”
>
> * The title (E35) of Einstein’s 1915 text (E73) _/has symbolic 
> content/_ “Relativity, the Special and the General Theory“
>
> * The story of Little Red Riding Hood (E33) _/has symbolic content/_ 
> “Once upon a time there lived in a certain village …”
>
> * The inscription (E34) on Rijksmuseum object SK-A-1601 (E22) _/has 
> symbolic content/_ “B”
>
>
>
> On 9/17/2018 10:38 PM, Robert Sanderson wrote:
>>
>> Examples I have a lot of!
>>
>> How about …
>>
>> * The materials description (E33) of the painting (E22)  _/has 
>> symbolic content/_ “Oil, French Watercolors on Paper, Graphite and 
>> Ink on Canvas, with an Oak frame.”
>>
>> * The title (E35) of Einstein’s 1915 text (E73) _/has symbolic 
>> content/_ “Relativity, the Special and the General Theory“
>>
>> * The story of Little Red Riding Hood (E33) _/has symbolic content/_ 
>> “Once upon a time there lived in a certain village …”
>>
>> * The inscription (E34) on Rijksmuseum object SK-A-1601 (E22) _/has 
>> symbolic content/_ “B”
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> *From: *Crm-sig <crm-sig-bounces at ics.forth.gr> on behalf of Richard 
>> Light <richard at light.demon.co.uk>
>> *Date: *Monday, September 17, 2018 at 12:09 PM
>> *To: *"crm-sig at ics.forth.gr" <crm-sig at ics.forth.gr>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: symbolic content
>>
>> Rob,
>>
>> Absolutely.  So now we need to draft the text to describe this 
>> property, in suitably generalized terms, for the CRM, and then update 
>> our RDF documentation to say exactly how it is to be used in that 
>> context.  Perhaps we should start with some examples?
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> On 17/09/2018 19:49, Robert Sanderson wrote:
>>
>>     Thank you, Martin! I think this is exactly what we need ☺
>>
>>     Rob
>>
>>     *From: *Crm-sig <crm-sig-bounces at ics.forth.gr>
>>     <mailto:crm-sig-bounces at ics.forth.gr> on behalf of Martin Doerr
>>     <martin at ics.forth.gr> <mailto:martin at ics.forth.gr>
>>     *Date: *Friday, September 14, 2018 at 10:23 AM
>>     *To: *"crm-sig at ics.forth.gr" <mailto:crm-sig at ics.forth.gr>
>>     <crm-sig at ics.forth.gr> <mailto:crm-sig at ics.forth.gr>
>>     *Subject: *[Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: symbolic content
>>
>>     Dear All,
>>
>>     I propose a new property of Symbolic Object : "has symbolic
>>     content : String" , in RDFS subproperty of rdfs:value.
>>
>>     The "level of symbolic specificity" by which the String is
>>     interpreted should conform to the type of the Symbolic Object.
>>
>>     Best,
>>
>>     Martin
>>
>>     On 9/14/2018 7:54 PM, Richard Light wrote:
>>
>>         On 13/09/2018 20:57, Martin Doerr wrote:
>>
>>             Dear Richard,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                     What we need, to my opinion, is a property of
>>                     Symbolic Object we may call it "has symbolic
>>                     content" or "has symbolic content inline" or
>>                     anything better, which defines that the symbolic
>>                     content *is identical to* the Literal,
>>                     *abstracted *to the "level of symbolic
>>                     specificity" that the Literal implies and that
>>                     conforms to the identity condition of the
>>                     Symbolic Object, i.e., characters of a certain
>>                     script, or whatever. That would make the meaning
>>                     of the "value" unambiguous.
>>
>>                 Again, I'm in complete agreement with this line of
>>                 thought.  One decision we should make is whether this
>>                 property forms part of the generic CRM framework, or
>>                 if it is to be an implementation-specific property
>>                 which only appears in our RDF implementation of the
>>                 CRM.  My instinct is for it to go into the CRM
>>                 proper: the treatment of Symbolic Object and its
>>                 subclasses would I think be made clearer by the
>>                 addition of this property.
>>
>>             For CRM proper!
>>
>>         OK: perhaps we should start a new issue to address this?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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