[Crm-sig] Intellectual Property Rights and E30 / E72

Martin Doerr martin at ics.forth.gr
Fri Mar 23 11:52:10 EET 2018


Dear Robert,

On 3/23/2018 1:24 AM, Robert Sanderson wrote:
>
> Yes, I understand multiple instantiation (see previous discussion 
> about Linguistic Object and Appellation, for example). Thus, if we 
> want to avoid multiple instantiation as an anti-pattern for usability, 
> we need to create a subclass that is both a LegalObject and a 
> PropositionalObject. Fine.
>
> I would argue that not every Physical Thing is a Legal Object. 
> Interstellar dust is not a Legal Object. The water in international 
> waters is not a legal object. And, yes, I hear the counter argument 
> “That’s not in scope for the CRM so we don’t need to take it into 
> account”
>
Interstellar dust and bodies of water are not Physical Things. Please 
read the definition of Physical Thing in the CRM and Material 
Substantial in CRMSci. If this leaves any ambiguity, please let us know:-)

Martin
>
> Rob
>
> *From: *Stephen Stead <steads at paveprime.com>
> *Organization: *Paveprime Ltd
> *Reply-To: *"steads at paveprime.com" <steads at paveprime.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 4:11 PM
> *To: *Robert Sanderson <RSanderson at getty.edu>, 'crm-sig' 
> <Crm-sig at ics.forth.gr>
> *Subject: *RE: [Crm-sig] Intellectual Property Rights and E30 / E72
>
> Hi Robert
>
> I think you may have misunderstood the hierarchy at this point. Being 
> the parent class of E18 Physical Thing and E90 Symbolic Object does 
> not preclude other things from being instances of E72 Legal Object, it 
> merely states that all instances of E18 Physical Thing and all 
> instances of E90 Symbolic Object are also, by inheritance, E72 Legal 
> Objects.
>
> So there is nothing to stop an instance of, for example, E28 
> Conceptual Object being multiply instantiated as also being an 
> instance of E72 Legal Object but, as is made clear in the scope note, 
> *not* all instances of E28 Conceptual Object are necessarily also 
> instances of E72 Legal Object.
>
> HTH
>
> SdS
>
> Stephen Stead
>
> Tel +44 20 8668 3075
>
> Mob +44 7802 755 013
>
> E-mail steads at paveprime.com <mailto:steads at paveprime.com>
>
> LinkedIn Profile https://www.linkedin.com/in/steads/
>
> *From:*Crm-sig [mailto:crm-sig-bounces at ics.forth.gr] *On Behalf Of 
> *Robert Sanderson
> *Sent:* 22 March 2018 20:18
> *To:* crm-sig <Crm-sig at ics.forth.gr>
> *Subject:* [Crm-sig] Intellectual Property Rights and E30 / E72
>
> Dear all,
>
> In the CRM, Rights are associated with E72_Legal_Object, which is the 
> parent class of Physical Thing and Symbolic Object.
>
> This does not allow for works that are conceptual but not symbolic, 
> such as the plot of a movie or other E89s or E28s to have any legal 
> status.
>
> Given that intellectual property does have some legal protection such 
> as patents (a patent document has symbols, but the protection is for 
> the idea described by that document, not the document itself), should 
> it instead be the parent of Physical Thing and Conceptual Object?
>
> Many thanks for your thoughts on this,
>
> Rob
>
>
>
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