[Crm-sig] ISSUE: Scholarly Reading.

martin martin at ics.forth.gr
Thu Mar 30 18:10:15 EEST 2017

Dear All,

My colleague Athina found the following paper:
Michele Pasin, John Bradley; Factoid-based prosopography and computer 
ontologies: towards an integrated approach. Lit Linguist Computing 2015; 
30 (1): 86-97.

It seems that "factoid" describes the attitude towards a text I tried to 
formulate as "Reading" ?



On 23/3/2017 8:10 μμ, martin wrote:
> Dear All,
> I propose to start the discussion about a simplified Inference model 
> for the case in which the interpretation of a text as a proposition is 
> not questioned, but other things are questioned:
> A) assertions of historical truth: We need a text with a questioned 
> fact, such as Nero singing in Rome when it was burning. I think 
> Tacitus states he was singing in Rome, and another source says he was 
> on the countryside.
> B) Shakespeare's "love is not love" : scholarly interpretation = 
> translation of sense
> C) Questioning provenance or authenticity of texts: In the Merchant of 
> Venice, place details are mentioned that only a person who was there 
> could have written that. Shakespeare was not allowed to travel abroad.
> C1) Or, critical editions: In the first written version of Buddha's 
> speaches (Pali Canon), there are identifiable passages that present 
> past-Buddha dogmata.
> I would start with A), then B), then C)
> So, we first want to solve the case that the premise is a proposition, 
> which is not believed as such.
> Rather, it is believed that the author of the text meant to express 
> this proposition. This implies that the premise does not make any 
> sense without a provenance assumption, which must be believed.
> In A), the provenance of the text from Tacitus is believed. His good 
> will to say the truth about Nero not.
> In B) The provenance "Shakespeare" back to the respective edition/name 
> or pseudonym/place of creation is not questioned.
> In C1) The text as being that compiled following the first performance 
> is not questioned, but who wrote the text under the name of 
> Shakespeare is questioned.
> In C2) The provenance of the Pali Canon edition is not questioned, 
> neither that its content mainly goes historically back to Buddha, but 
> the provenance of a paragraph is questioned.
> Therefore, we could Introduce a subclass of I2 Belief i'd call 
> "reading", which puts the focus on believing authenticity of a 
> comprehensible natural language proposition relative to an explicitly 
> stated provenance, but does not mean believing the proposition, nor 
> questioning the intended meaning of the text:
> J1 used as premise (was premise for) : IXX Reading
> IXX Reading  subclass of I2 Belief (or a generalized Belief)
> properties of IXX Reading:
>    JX1 understanding : Information Object (the cited phrase, 
> understanding the words)
>    JX2 believing provenance : I4 Proposition Set (This contains the 
> link from the cited phrase to the text the phrase is taken from, and 
> all provenance data believed. E.g. Shakespeare edition 1648(??) 
> believed, authorship by Shakespeare questioned, etc.)
> *optional:*
>    JX3 reading as : I4 Proposition Set (the translation of the cited 
> into triples. If absent, the interpretation of the cited phrase is 
> regarded to be obvious)
> and J5 defaults to "true" (I believe all "J5 <#_J5_holds_to>holds to 
> be: I6 <#_I6_Belief_Value>Belief Value" should default to "True" if 
> absent).
> Then, a conclusion could be that the Information Object (cited phrase) 
> is not believed. In that case, we would need to generalize I4 to be 
> either a Named Graph or an unambiguous text. If we do not, we could 
> use JX1, JX3 to introduce the translation of the cited text as formal 
> proposition, and then use J5 to say "FALSE": "Nero singing in burning 
> Rome 18 to 24 July, 64 AD"
> In the case of text sense interpretation, we would need a sort of "has 
> translation" construct, if not simply a work about another work (FRBRoo).
> The representation of a text in a formal proposition (Nero P14 
> performed E7 Activity P2 has type "singing" ...falls within 
> Destruction....)
> In the case of the Buddhist text, we would need in addition the 
> believe in the provenance of the post-Buddha dogma, plus the reading, 
> resulting in a different provenance for the paragraph.
> If we agree on something like that, let us see if we can simplify or 
> shortcut anything.
> best,
> Martin**
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  Dr. Martin Doerr              |  Vox:+30(2810)391625        |
  Research Director             |  Fax:+30(2810)391638        |
                                |  Email: martin at ics.forth.gr |
                Center for Cultural Informatics               |
                Information Systems Laboratory                |
                 Institute of Computer Science                |
    Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH)   |
                N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton,             |
                 GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece               |
              Web-site: http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl           |

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