[Crm-sig] Quick question: In response to naysayers in DPLAdiscussion....

Pierre Choffé choffepierre at gmail.com
Mon Jul 11 16:42:25 EEST 2016

Hi Jim, hi Patrick, hi everyone,

The IFLA paper about DOREMUS was written simultaneously in French and
English, the English version can be accessed at

With all very best wishes,

2016-07-11 10:23 GMT+02:00 <patrick.le-boeuf at bnf.fr>:

> Hi Jim, and hi everyone,
> Here is a further reference: it's about the use of FRBRoo and CIDOC CRM in
> the French research project named "DOREMUS", which focuses on the extension
> of both ontologies to the field of music (concert planning, scores, audio
> and video recordings, and documentation about musical works, from
> heterogeneous data stores produced by various institutions with various
> descriptive traditions and formats): <
> http://library.ifla.org/1322/1/093-choffe-fr.pdf>. Unfortunately, the
> paper is only available in French so far, but an English translation will
> be provided very soon -- hopefully (once it is available, it will be
> accessed from: < http://library.ifla.org/1322/1/093-choffe-en.pdf>.
> "Serious-ontologies-bashing" has turned quite trendy nowadays. CIDOC CRM
> is not its only victim; FRBR-LRM, the IFLA model that integrates FRBRer,
> FRAD, and FRSAD, was venomously attacked too, by narrow-minded advocates of
> "quick and dirty Frankenstein ontologies". In these times of selfishness
> and fragmentation, consistency and robustness are deemed outmoded. I've no
> clue what will result from these trends; but for sure they're here to stay.
> The smart advocates of the "Pick whichever property from whatever ontology
> you like" attitude will only realize the mess they've created when it is
> too late.
> Best wishes,
> Patrick Le Boeuf
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> De :        "Jim Salmons" <jim.salmons at factminers.org>
> A :        <crm-sig at ics.forth.gr>
> Date :        08/07/2016 19:43
> Objet :        Re: [Crm-sig] Quick question: In response to naysayers in
> DPLA        discussion....
> Envoyé par :        "Crm-sig" <crm-sig-bounces at ics.forth.gr>
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> Fellow SIG folk,
> I've had a while to think about things, and want to report a slight change
> of plan.
> I greatly appreciate the excellent information provided in the thread of
> this discussion, and it has certainly been a wonderful personal learning
> experience to find out about the exciting implementations and support for
> the #cidocCRM in deployed systems in such prestigious institutions and
> research centers.
> I have, however, decided to "keep my head down" and not write a Medium
> article to encourage the DPLA to be more open and transparent with its
> Archival Description Working Group (ADWG) and to better support
> international standards, especially the #cidocCRM, in its hiring of a Data
> Usage and Analytics Developer.
> It is hard enough just being an independent, unaffiliated
> #CitizenScientist. Being an advocate for the #cidocCRM in the U.S. with our
> too often "Not Invented Here" and "Go Big or Go Home" attitudes, I can't
> risk alienating an organization that I hope to eventually have credibility
> and influence with.
> That said, when I do have a chance in the next few weeks, I plan to write
> an non-DPLA-oriented article focused on the wonderful systems, projects,
> and institutional support of the #cidocCRM as evidenced by Dominic's tweets
> and the various posts to this discussion. So, in this sense, please do not
> hesitate to provide additional contributions to this list citing the
> "latest and greatest" #cidocCRM-compatible systems.
> BTW, I am especially interested in learning about any projects or
> institutions using or planning to use #FRBRoo and, most especially,
> #PRESSoo.
> I also look forward to learning more about the recent two paper sessions
> on the CRM at #CIDOC2016 in Milan.
>    Happy-Healthy Vibes,
>    -: Jim :-
>    Jim Salmons and Timlynn Babitsky
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