[Crm-sig] HW Issue 199

Christian-Emil Smith Ore c.e.s.ore at iln.uio.no
Sat Feb 7 09:42:13 EET 2015


There is a elaborated  person role system in ULAN comprising  than  1200  roles. I have had a closer look and these are simply E55 Types linked directly to the "person", e.g. animal (a horse) and 'antipope' etc. and has nothing to do with family relations or relations between persons.

There is a family relation system in ULAN. I checked a Norwegian family of painters autors etc  Krohg: 
Christian Krohg (http://www.edd.uio.no/perl/kub/mediefil_kub.cgi?id=22827494)  and 

Oda Krohg (https://media.snl.no/system/images/16107/standard_NMK-B_NG.M.0431820130725-13675-o863lz.jpg) were married. 

They had a son Per (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_Krohg#mediaviewer/File:UN_security_council_2005.jpg) together. 

>From the ULAN records on can observe (besides noting that  ULAN is male focused, Oda is listed with no child and Per has no mother), the relations are not gender specific: 'child of', 'spouse'. The excuse is that the gender of a person is specified. 

The excerpt from ULAN below shows the listed relations between the three Krohgs (there is also more artists in the family not listed) and some students and teachers. The ULAN parent/child relation corresponds to the P152 has parent/is parent of. An example for the scop enote can be 

 Per Krohg (E21).  P152 has parent (is parent of): Christian Krohg (E21) 

With ULAN idenfiers it could be

Per Krohg  [ULAN: 500069715 ](E21) .  P152 has parent (is parent of): Christian Krohg [ULAN: [500011632]]  (E21)

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ULAN excerpts 

Christian Krohg
Related People or Corporate Bodies:
parent of .... 	Krohg, Per  
................ 	(Norwegian painter, costume designer, and scenographer, 1889-1965) [500009787]
spouse of .... 	Krohg, Oda  
................ 	(Norwegian painter, 1860-1935) [500069715]
student of .... 	Gude, Hans Fredrik  
.................. 	(Norwegian painter, 1825-1903) [500004718]
student of .... 	Gussow, Karl  
.................. 	(German painter, 1843-1907) [500031129]
student of .... 	Middelthun, Julius Olavus  1870-1871
.................. 	(Norwegian sculptor, 1820-1886) [500122010]
teacher of .... 	Eiebakke, August  1886-1887
.................. 	(Norwegian painter, 1867-1938) [500093351]

Oda Krohg
Related People or Corporate Bodies:
spouse of .... 	Krohg, Christian  
................ 	(Norwegian painter, draftsman, and author, 1852-1925) [500011632]

Per Krohg
Related People or Corporate Bodies:
child of .... 	Krohg, Christian  
.............. 	(Norwegian painter, draftsman, and author, 1852-1925) [500011632]
teacher of .... 	Storstein, Aage  
.................. 	(Norwegian painter, 1900-1983) [500091511]



>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chryssoula Bekiari [mailto:bekiari at ics.forth.gr]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:21 AM
>To: Stephen Stead; Christian-Emil Smith Ore; Øyvind Eide; 'stephen Stead'
>Subject: Re: Issue 199
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>is this ok?
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>Thanks
>Chryssoula
>On 21/1/2015 4:27 πμ, Stephen Stead wrote:
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>	From: Chryssoula Bekiari [mailto:bekiari at ics.forth.gr]
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>stephen Stead
>	Subject: HW: Issue 199
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>	Dear All
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>	I would like to remind you your homework about
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>	ISSUE 199
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>	The scope note of  P152 has been updated. Christian Emil, Eyvind,
>Steve Stead will map ULAN association roles and present to next crm-sig.
>Then we see the mismatches. Christian Emil will give an example by
>tomorrow.
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>	Then we discussed how to deal with roles:
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><file:///C:%5CUsers%5Cbekiari%5CAppData%5CLocal%5CTemp%5Cmsohtmlc
>lip1%5C01%5Cclip_image002.jpg>
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>	Figure 1
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>	By using reification we must (a) control vocabularies (b) make
>mapping to CRM properties (c) in the case we have to model properties of
>properties we may reify the property as a class and then the property of
>property as a regular property (Figure 1.B)
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>	P152 has parent (is parent of)
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>	Domain:                                E21 Person
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>	Range:                   E21 Person
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>	Subproperty of:
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>	Quantification:    (2,n:0:n)
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>	Scope note:           This property associates an instance of E21 Person
>with another instance of E21 Person who plays the role of the first instance’s
>parent, regardless of whether the relationship is biological parenthood,
>assumed or pretended biological parenthood or an equivalent legal status of
>rights and obligations obtained by a social or legal act.  This property is,
>among others, a shortcut of the fully developed paths from ‘E21Person’
>through ‘P98i was born’, ‘E67 Birth’, ‘P96 by mother’ to ‘E21 Person’, and
>from ‘E21Person’ through ‘P98i was born’, ‘E67 Birth’, ‘P97 from father’ to
>‘E21 Person’.
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>	Chryssoula
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>Chryssoula Bekiari
>Research and Development Engineer
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>Center for Cultural Informatics / Information Systems Laboratory
>Institute of Computer Science
>Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH)
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>N. Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton, GR-700 13 Heraklion, Crete, Greece
>Phone: +30 2810 391631, Fax: +30 2810 391638, Skype: xrysmp
>E-mail: bekiari at ics.forth.gr
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>Web-site:
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