[Crm-sig] Money, money, money...
martin
martin at ics.forth.gr
Fri Feb 6 14:00:06 EET 2015
Dear All,
I think the issue of business transactions with monetary exchange and other
exchange goods is overdue.
In order to address this in CRM-SIG, we need a some database schema/
data structure
in scope we can take as empirical material.
I believe acquisition of museum objects is one area of application.
Another, I was
just recently pointed to, is transcription of Bronce Age texts.
Please propose as many data structures as possible to study requirements.
Best,
Martin
On 6/2/2015 2:12 πμ, Stephen Stead wrote:
> Dan
> I stick by my original points.
> It is not P16 used specific object unless you want to refer to a particular
> coin or note ie this is the coin that was used to buy the pen that was used
> to sign the treaty.
> Rgds
> SdS
>
> Stephen Stead
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Crm-sig [mailto:crm-sig-bounces at ics.forth.gr] On Behalf Of Dan Matei
> Sent: 05 February 2015 20:48
> To: crm-sig at ics.forth.gr; vladimir.alexiev at ONTOTEXT.COM
> Subject: [Crm-sig] Money, money, money...
>
> Dear all
>
> I have to state a "simple" fact: "The object X is purchased with Y euro."
>
> I found the 2011 discussion between Vladimir Alexiev and Stephen Stead on
> this topic:
> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/pipermail/crm-sig/2011-November/001693.html
>
> I'm not quite happy with their conclusion :-(
>
> Two issues:
>
> A. The relationship between the purchasing event and the money paid
>
> I think that the natural relationship between the crm:E8_Acquisition and the
> amount paid (Y) is crm:P16_used_specific_object.
>
> [P16 SN: This property describes the use of material or immaterial things in
> a way essential to the performance or the outcome of an E7 Activity.]
>
> The money is "essential to the performance" of the acquisition, no ? :-)
>
>
> B. Which is the right class of the "money" ?
>
> B.1. The amount is a crm: E72_Legal_Object, right ?
>
> [E72 SN: This class comprises those material or immaterial items to which
> instances of E30 Right, such as the right of ownership or use, can be
> applied.]
>
> Rights apply to money, right ?
>
> So, my (first) solution is:
>
> [
> {
> "@id": "#X",
> "@type": "crm:E22_Man-Made_Object",
> "statement": {
> "@id": "#s1",
> "predicate": "crm:P24i_changed_ownership_through",
> "object": "#purchase"
> }
> },
> {
> "@id": "#purchase",
> "@type": "crm:E8_Acquisition",
> "statement": {
> "@id": "#s2",
> "predicate": "crm:P16_used_specific_object",
> "predicateQualifier": "#amountPaid",
> "object": "#price"
> }
> },
> {
> "@id": "#price",
> "@type": "crm:E72_Legal_Object",
> "statement": [
> {
> "@id": "#s3",
> "predicate": "crm:P2_has_type",
> "object": "#currency"
> },
> {
> "@id": "#s4",
> "predicate": "crm:P43_has_dimension",
> "object": "#amount"
> }
> ]
> },
> {
> "@id": "#amount",
> "@type": "crm:E54_Dimension",
> "statement": [
> {
> "@id": "#s5",
> "predicate": "crm:P2_has_type",
> "object": "#sum"
> },
> {
> "@id": "#s6",
> "predicate": "crm:P90_has_value",
> "object": {
> "@value": "Y",
> "@type": "xsd:integer"
> }
> },
> {
> "@id": "#s7",
> "predicate": "crm:P91_has_unit",
> "object": "#euro"
> }
> ]
> }
> ]
>
> A bit long... And the entity #price do not tells much.
>
>
> B.2. An amount of money is not an instance of crm: E54_Dimension ?
>
> [E54 SN: An instance of E54 Dimension represents the true quantity,
> independent from its numerical approximation, e.g. in inches or in cm.]
>
> A sum of money is not "a true quantity" ? I'm inclined to the affirmative.
> So, if I understand correctly the E54, I could use a double instantiation
> and shorten a bit my solution:
>
> [
> {
> "@id": "#X",
> "@type": "crm:E22_Man-Made_Object",
> "statement": {
> "@id": "#s1",
> "predicate": "crm:P24i_changed_ownership_through",
> "object": "#purchase"
> }
> },
> {
> "@id": "#purchase",
> "@type": "crm:E8_Acquisition",
> "statement": {
> "@id": "#s2",
> "predicate": "crm:P16_used_specific_object",
> "predicateQualifier": "#amountPaid",
> "object": "#price"
> }
> },
> {
> "@id": "#price",
> "@type": [
> "crm:E72_Legal_Object",
> "crm:E54_Dimension"
> ],
> "statement": [
> {
> "@id": "#s3",
> "predicate": "crm:P2_has_type",
> "object": [
> "#currency",
> "#sum"
> ]
> },
> {
> "@id": "#s4",
> "predicate": "crm:P90_has_value",
> "object": {
> "@value": "Y",
> "@type": "xsd:integer"
> }
> },
> {
> "@id": "#s5",
> "predicate": "crm:P91_has_unit",
> "object": "#euro"
> }
> ]
> }
> ]
>
> I.e. the amount of money is in the same time an instance of E72 AND E54.
>
> Is that legitimate ?
>
> Dan
>
>
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