[Crm-sig] Technique and product of technique

Athanasios Velios a.velios at gmail.com
Mon Jul 14 13:33:20 EEST 2014


OK, I see now how the second bullet point is being used. Thank you all 
for the clarifications.

All the best,

Thanasis

On 11/07/14 09:41, patrick.le-boeuf at bnf.fr wrote:
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> The sentence reads: "A schema of the products that *result* from their
> application", not "... that *resultS* from ...". It's the products that
> result, not the schema. And "their" refers to "activities", not to the
> technique employed. In bullet 1, the instance of E29 Design or Procedure
> is a process ("do this, then do that, and then do this"), while in
> bullet 2, the instance of E29 Design or Procedure is a description or
> indication of the expected result ("Hamlet's costume should look more or
> less like this picture, once finished"). In other terms, bullet 1 points
> to a procedure, bullet 2 points to a design. Bingo: the E29 class is
> labelled Design or Procedure. QED.
> Grammaticus
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> Yes that example is clear.
>
> But I am still confused about the phrase: "A schema of the products that
> result from their application." in E29. The product of the application
> of the technique is not a technique. Shouldn't this phrase be removed
> from E29's note? What was the reason to include this phrase?
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Thanasis
>
> On 10/07/14 16:02, Dominic Oldman wrote:
>  > Im not quite sure what you mean
>  >
>  > But P56_bears feature can then be used with a Man-Made Feature E25 which
>  > can have a P2_has_type which could be a thesuarus term.
>  >
>  > Explore P56 on this example
>  >
>  >
> http://collection.britishmuseum.org/resource?uri=http://collection.britishmuseum.org/id/object/CGR87820
>  >
>  > Techniques are usually applied from a production event usinmg
>  > P32_used_general_technique
>  >
>  > Cheers,
>  >
>  > Dominic
>  >
>  >
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>  > *From:* Athanasios Velios <a.velios at gmail.com>
>  > *To:* crm-sig at ics.forth.gr
>  > *Sent:* Thursday, July 10, 2014 11:13 AM
>  > *Subject:* [Crm-sig] Technique and product of technique
>  >
>  > Hello list,
>  >
>  > We are compiling a thesaurus of bookbinding terms and we would like some
>  > advice on this:
>  >
>  > The CRM says E29 Design or Procedure can be:
>  >
>  > "1. A schema for the activities it describes
>  > 2. A schema of the products that result from their application."
>  >
>  > Does this mean that one can use E29 Design or Procedure to describe a
>  > feature or an object? Am I misinterpreting the purpose of E29?
>  >
>  > Two examples:
>  > gilding (technique) -> gilding (feature)
>  > tooling (decorative techniques of covers) -> tooling (embossed feature
>  > on cover)
>  >
>  > The question came up when considering a number of techniques/features
>  > terms. AAT seems to often define these separately, and I think this
>  > should be the case, but some people may feel this is redundant after
>  > looking at E29 and since the definitions of a given pair of
>  > technique/feature are almost identical.
>  >
>  > Thank you in advance for your help.
>  >
>  > Thanasis
>  > -- Dr. Athanasios Velios
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>  > University of the Arts London
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