[Crm-sig] Retrospective and Planned Events

martin martin at ics.forth.gr
Wed Mar 7 13:07:14 EET 2012


Dear Patrick,

That sounds great. May be a mapping to the CRM would resolve the  open 
issues?

best,

Martin

On 6/3/2012 5:08 μμ, PATRICK.LE-BOEUF at bnf.fr wrote:
>
> Dear all,
> I can't speak for the museum community, but to return to my familiar
> obsessions, there are in libraries many examples of drawings,
> sketchbooks, etc. that document planned theatrical performances that
> eventually never took place. For instance, there are documents about
> Edward Gordon Craig's project for a mise-en-scene of Bach's Matthew
> Passion both at the BnF <
> http://archivesetmanuscrits.bnf.fr/ead.html?id=FRBNFEAD000004234&c=FRBNFEAD000004234_a181
>  > and at the University of California Los Angeles <
> <http://archivesetmanuscrits.bnf.fr/ead.html?id=FRBNFEAD000004234&c=FRBNFEAD000004234_a181>http://www.oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/kt7f59p0kd/dsc/?query=matthew;dsc.position=1#hitNum1
>  >, and researchers would certainly benefit from information
> integration.
> <http://www.oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/kt7f59p0kd/dsc/?query=matthew;dsc.position=1#hitNum1>
> Best wishes,
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
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>
> Dear Oeyvind,
>
> This is a use case, we have implemented at FORTH a logic with 3
> time-spans as indicated below for the Germanische Nationalmuseum,
> but I am not sure to which degree there is an information integration
> need in the community at that level. I'd like to have a real user
> stand up and say: These are my data...there is a benefit is
> standardizing the interpretation...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Martin
>
>
> On 6/3/2012 2:51 μμ, Øyvind Eide wrote:
>  > Dear Joao and Martin,
>  >
>  > I assume planned travel would be a use case, e.g., if a museum plans
> an expedition with a more or less specified route; then either the whole
> expeditions is cancelled, or the route is changed (as Amundsen's
> decision to go to the South Pole instead of the other one). I have no
> use cases connected to museum documentation, however; so it may be that
> it is just a theoretical possibility.
>  >
>  >
>  > Kind regards,
>  >
>  > Øyvind Eide
>  > Department of Digital Humanities, King's College London
>  > Unit for Digital Documentation, University of Oslo
>  >
>  > Den 6. mars 2012 kl. 13:36 skrev martin:
>  >
>  >> Dear Joao,
>  >>
>  >> No evolution so far. What we miss is a relevant use case, an
> existing practice of documenting planned events and their
>  >> realization, where the option is relevant that the event does not
> take place or is significantly different from what was planned.
>  >> Is anyone aware of such cases? For instance, recently, I have seen a
> raised interest in buildings not built. More precisely, many large
> building projects include distinct competitive plans. 3D Modelling
> allows to visualize such plans.
>  >>
>  >> One view is to create a "Real or Future Event", which may change
> classification to "Real" or to "Abandoned", but the identity condition
> between plan and realization poses narrow limits to possible semantics.
> However, it deals relatively well with events that have started but not
> yet ended.
>  >>
>  >> Another view is to explicate temporal realization plans as
> properties of a specialization of E29: There are 3 times:
>  >> The time-span during which the plan was maintained (intended), the
> time-span for which the plan was planned to be realized,
>  >> which may change frequently , and the time the plan was regarded to
> be realized or not. I suspect that a sort of
>  >> "situation semantics" as in OIO, ("ontology of information objects")
> might be the right thing for the realization, i.e., not an
>  >> event in the narrower sense, but a goal-oriented condition on reality.
>  >>
>  >> Best,
>  >>
>  >> Martin
>  >>
>  >> On 28/2/2012 4:47 μμ, Joao Oliveira Lima wrote:
>  >>> Dear All,
>  >>>
>  >>> In the message [
> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/pipermail/crm-sig/2008-September/001158.html
> ], Martin Doerr says that would "be interesting to discuss planned
> events as extension of the CRM". There is any evolution in this direction?
>  >>>
>  >>> Regards,
>  >>>
>  >>> Joao Alberto de Oliveira Lima
>  >>>
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