[Crm-sig] appropriate entity for "Typus"

Wolfgang Schmidle wolfgang.schmidle at uni-koeln.de
Mon Dec 3 16:55:14 EET 2012

Thanks! I am perfectly happy with a set theoretic explanation.

The reason I had explicitly ruled out E55 was that according to its 
Scope note it comprises "terms from thesauri and controlled 
vocabularies". It seems to me that neither thesaurus nor controlled 
vocabulary applies in our case. There is a data field "Klassifizierung" 
with e.g. "Ideal Gottheit weiblich", but the Typus itself is described 
as e.g. "Aphrodite Kallipygos" or "Aphrodite Kyrene", which seems like 
an open list rather than a potentially exhaustive list. Or does our 
Typus list itself constitute a thesaurus or controlled vocabulary 
because at any given time it is a controlled list, even though a new 
Typus can be added at any time?


Am 03.12.12 14:55, schrieb martin:

> Dear Wolfgang,
> It is indeed E55 Type, in the German translation of the CRM "E55 Typus"
> .  The crucial distinction for the CRM
> are not the scholarly associations you refer to here, but the fact that
> a "Typus" denotes a set ("Menge")
> of things with the same characteristics, and not a particular object. An
> "prototype" is a particular
> object, which is a good representative of a particular "Typus", and
> hence, not a Typus itself.
>    The CRM does not go into analysis of Platonic concepts, that would not
> be useful for such a simple information integration schema ;-) .
> The CRM does not analyse further E55 Type, for instance into visual form
> type, functional types, types
> by construction principle etc., because this is not necessary to
> integrate information about the same instance of
> E55 Type.
> Does that help?
> Martin
> On 3/12/2012 1:30 μμ, Wolfgang Schmidle wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> I am looking for the appropriate entity for "Typus" ("type", or maybe
>> "archetype" or "prototype"). For example, a Greek sculpture creates a
>> type that is imitated by Roman sculptures. However, Typus does not only
>> apply to sculptures, and there may or may not be a physical prototype.
>> Apparently it's not E55 Type. Candidates seem to be
>> * E28 Conceptual Object
>> ** E89 Propositional Object: "... conceptual items such as types and
>> classes are not instances of E89 Propositional Object [but E55 Type?].
>> This should not be confused with the definition of a type, which is
>> indeed an instance of E89 Propositional Object."
>> ** E90 Symbolic Object
>> *** E73 Information Object
>> **** E36 Visual Item: "This class does not intend to describe the
>> idiosyncratic characteristics of an individual physical embodiment of a
>> visual item, but the underlying prototype."
>> ***** E38 Image: "The original painting of the Mona Lisa in the Louvre
>> may be said to bear the same instance of E38 Image as reproductions in
>> the form of transparencies, postcards, posters or T-shirts ..."
>> This example from E89 seems to fit: The underlying prototype of any
>> “no-smoking” sign (E36). Does E36 apply to 3D objects as well?
>> Thanks,
>> Wolfgang
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