[Crm-sig] LIDO semantics - "Inscriptions" on/in mass-produced media
steads at paveprime.org
Wed Apr 11 07:45:03 EEST 2012
The FRBR F3 Manifestation Product Type properties labelled CLP and CLR are
generally should haves. That is instances of the class described by an
instance F3 (ie an instance of F5 Item) should have 173 pages etc. Any
particular F5 Item may of course have a different number of pages due to an
error in the production process or some E7 Activity later in its history.
Hope this helps
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From: crm-sig-bounces at ics.forth.gr [mailto:crm-sig-bounces at ics.forth.gr] On
Behalf Of Michael Hopwood
Sent: 10 April 2012 12:32
To: Regine Stein
Cc: erin.coburn at metmuseum.org; crm-sig at ics.forth.gr
Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] LIDO semantics - "Inscriptions" on/in mass-produced
Thanks Regine I appreciate this!
Im always slightly put off by the distinction physical vs. digital
(having studied physics and being pretty convinced that digital systems are
I think your solution works perfectly within the specifications but I still
have one question:
Early on we made a compromise in the modelling process (I think) by stating
that all the products we are modelling are FRBRoo Manifestation Product
Types essentially designs of a *set* of identical, mass-produced items
Now, commercially published books, say, dont usually have item-level IDs
(although apparently in Turkey they do!!!!) and you dont normally know at
any point where all the copies are, or even really how many there are
exactly once printed and sold, delivered etc.
So the manifestation is, correctly, a CRM conceptual object in this
sense so how can it even have dimensions, etc. etc.? I think we have mixed
models here and mapped product descriptions as though the specific item is
It doesnt bother me too much, and I think its slightly irrelevant to
inscriptions and physical objects but I just wanted to point out were not
discussing a physical object at this stage..?!
Anyhow, can you point me to any sources that have mapped data about books,
films/TV, music & photos that include content descriptions? It would be
great to see how others have done this in LIDO.
From: Regine Stein [mailto:r.stein at fotomarburg.de]
Sent: 05 April 2012 21:19
To: Michael Hopwood
Cc: crm-sig at ics.forth.gr; erin.coburn at metmuseum.org
Subject: Re: LIDO semantics - "Inscriptions" on/in mass-produced media
Trying a quick answer for a late Thursday-Friday.
An inscription is clearly bound to a physical carrier, as the LIDO spec
states by talking of "[...] physical lettering [...] that are affixed [...],
incscribed, or attached to the object / work", in compliance with E34
Inscription in the CRM.
As you start "I want to include descriptions..." - all the information you
address here goes imo into lido:objectDescriptionSet, being typed according
to your needs with lido:type attribute.
Am 30.03.2012 14:23, schrieb Michael Hopwood:
A quick question on the LIDO semantics for a Friday.
I want to include descriptions or possibly even transcriptions of part of
the text of published books, lyrics of recorded music, audio dialogue of
film&TV assets, possibly words appearing in photo images
Can this be included within LIDO:Inscriptions? Spec says:
A transcription or description of any distinguishing or identifying
physical lettering, annotations, texts, markings, or labels that are
affixed, applied, stamped, written, inscribed, or attached to the
object / work, excluding any mark or text inherent in the materials
of which it is made.
The object/work in this case is actually a FRBRoo Manifestation Product
Type, so in what sense does it have Inscriptions?
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