[Crm-sig] LIDO semantics - "Inscriptions" on/in mass-produced media

Michael Hopwood michael at editeur.org
Tue Apr 10 14:31:31 EEST 2012

Thanks Regine - I appreciate this!

I'm always slightly put off by the distinction "physical vs. digital" (having studied physics and being pretty convinced that digital systems are also physical...).

I think your solution works perfectly within the specifications but I still have one question:

Early on we made a compromise in the modelling process (I think) by stating that all the products we are modelling are FRBRoo "Manifestation Product Types" -essentially designs of a *set* of identical, mass-produced items (the "manifestation").

Now, commercially published books, say, don't usually have item-level IDs (although apparently in Turkey they do!!!!) and you don't normally know at any point where all the copies are, or even really how many there are exactly once printed and sold, delivered etc.

So the "manifestation" is, correctly, a CRM "conceptual object" in this sense - so how can it even have dimensions, etc. etc.? I think we have mixed models here and mapped product descriptions as though the specific item is at hand.

It doesn't bother me too much, and I think it's slightly irrelevant  to "inscriptions and physical objects" but I just wanted to point out we're not discussing a physical object at this stage..?!

Anyhow, can you point me to any sources that have mapped data about books, films/TV, music & photos that include "content" descriptions? It would be great to see how others have done this in LIDO.


From: Regine Stein [mailto:r.stein at fotomarburg.de]
Sent: 05 April 2012 21:19
To: Michael Hopwood
Cc: crm-sig at ics.forth.gr; erin.coburn at metmuseum.org
Subject: Re: LIDO semantics - "Inscriptions" on/in mass-produced media

Hi Michael,

Trying a quick answer for a late Thursday-Friday.

An inscription is clearly bound to a physical carrier, as the LIDO spec states by talking of "[...] physical lettering [...] that are affixed [...], incscribed, or attached to the object / work", in compliance with E34 Inscription in the CRM.

As you start "I want to include descriptions..." - all the information you address here goes imo into lido:objectDescriptionSet, being typed according to your needs with lido:type attribute.


Am 30.03.2012 14:23, schrieb Michael Hopwood:
Hello all,

A quick question on the LIDO semantics for a Friday.

I want to include descriptions or possibly even transcriptions of part of the text of published books,  lyrics of recorded music, audio dialogue of film&TV assets, possibly words appearing in photo images...

Can this be included within LIDO:Inscriptions? Spec says:

"A transcription or description of any distinguishing or identifying
physical lettering, annotations, texts, markings, or labels that are
affixed, applied, stamped, written, inscribed, or attached to the
object / work, excluding any mark or text inherent in the materials
of which it is made."

The object/work in this case is actually a FRBRoo Manifestation Product Type, so in what sense does it have "Inscriptions"?


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