[Crm-sig] ISSUE: P109 subp of P49

Vladimir Ivanov nomemm at gmail.com
Wed Aug 24 09:17:37 EEST 2011


Dear all,

I'm not a museum expert, but (imho) the intended meaning of both
concepts (custody and curation) may vary from one museum to another.
Moreover, this meaning is matter of a museum bylaws (or specialization), and
is not a "rigid".

So, any restriction (including subrpoperty) may potentially cause a
misunderstanding.

Still awaiting for any feedback from museum experts...

--
Best,
Vladimir

2011/8/23 martin <martin at ics.forth.gr>

> Dear Steve,
>
> Well, we have said that "custody" may be physical or legal. May be we need
> a clearer
> concept of what "curation" means, in particular the relatively exotic
> concept of
> landscapes. I would feel better if curation would imply a form of
> custody... caring
> that things are there where they are supposed to be...
>
> On the other hand, "custody" explicitly refers to Physical Things, hence
> including
> landscapes. How do we define "custody" for such things? can we
> differentiate that
> from "curation" ? If not, we better bring the concepts closer together...
>
> May be also the concept of "custody" goes beyond "keeping". In Germany, the
> Latin
> term "custos" might quite well be used similar to "curator".
>
> Do we know any experts of the concept, what do museologists say????
>
> Best,
>
> Martin
>
> On 8/22/2011 2:28 AM, Stephen Stead wrote:
> > Dear all
> > As the P49 description says has "custody of" and E78 collection talks
> about
> > an E39 Actor having "assembled and maintained"  it would be natural to
> > assume that the E39 Actor would have had custody off the items that made
> up
> > the E78 Collection but it is possible to have curatorial responsibility
> for
> > a set of objects that you have never actually had in your control for
> > instance landscapes, caves, archaeological sites or even conceivably
> large
> > objects.
> > I would therefore tend to the notion that normally one would use an
> instance
> > of each property  (P49 and P109) to describe the relationship between an
> > instance of E78 Collection and the instance of E39 Actor that curates it,
> > rather than always assuming that curation (P109) implies custody (P49).
> > Rgds
> > SdS
> >
> > Stephen Stead
> > Tel +44 20 8668 3075
> > Mob +44 7802 755 013
> > E-mail steads at paveprime.com
> > LinkedIn Profile http://uk.linkedin.com/in/steads
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: crm-sig-bounces at ics.forth.gr [mailto:crm-sig-bounces at ics.forth.gr]
> On
> > Behalf Of martin
> > Sent: 12 August 2011 18:06
> > To: crm-sig
> > Subject: [Crm-sig] ISSUE: P109 subp of P49
> >
> > Dear All
> >
> > Should be
> > E78 Collection.P109 has current or former curator.E39 Actor
> >
> > subproperty of:
> >
> > E18 Physical Thing.P49 has former or current keeper:E39 Actor ?
> >
> > What do the experts say?
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Martin
> >
>
>
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