[Crm-sig] ISSUE: P109 subp of P49

martin martin at ics.forth.gr
Tue Aug 23 21:44:44 EEST 2011

Dear Steve,

Well, we have said that "custody" may be physical or legal. May be we need a clearer
concept of what "curation" means, in particular the relatively exotic concept of
landscapes. I would feel better if curation would imply a form of custody... caring
that things are there where they are supposed to be...

On the other hand, "custody" explicitly refers to Physical Things, hence including
landscapes. How do we define "custody" for such things? can we differentiate that
from "curation" ? If not, we better bring the concepts closer together...

May be also the concept of "custody" goes beyond "keeping". In Germany, the Latin
term "custos" might quite well be used similar to "curator".

Do we know any experts of the concept, what do museologists say????



On 8/22/2011 2:28 AM, Stephen Stead wrote:
> Dear all
> As the P49 description says has "custody of" and E78 collection talks about
> an E39 Actor having "assembled and maintained"  it would be natural to
> assume that the E39 Actor would have had custody off the items that made up
> the E78 Collection but it is possible to have curatorial responsibility for
> a set of objects that you have never actually had in your control for
> instance landscapes, caves, archaeological sites or even conceivably large
> objects.
> I would therefore tend to the notion that normally one would use an instance
> of each property  (P49 and P109) to describe the relationship between an
> instance of E78 Collection and the instance of E39 Actor that curates it,
> rather than always assuming that curation (P109) implies custody (P49).
> Rgds
> SdS
> Stephen Stead
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> Dear All
> Should be
> E78 Collection.P109 has current or former curator.E39 Actor
> subproperty of:
> E18 Physical Thing.P49 has former or current keeper:E39 Actor ?
> What do the experts say?
> Best,
> Martin


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