[Crm-sig] asymmetric relations between people

Christian-Emil Ore c.e.s.ore at edd.uio.no
Wed Nov 12 13:48:28 EET 2008


The point with Gorbatchov was that most of the leaders of the Soviet 
union have not been president of the soviet union (which as a term was 
introduced by Brezhnev's constitution soem time in the 70ies) and the 
other way round.

Chr-E

On 11.11.2008 18:29, martin wrote:
> Dear Christian-Emil,
> 
> I am not sure if the example for P144.1 is particularly good, since the
> office has only one member at a time, the president. I am not sure if 
> P144.1
> is the best thing to do. I'd prefer expressing it by a "has type" link 
> or specialization
> of the Joining event. I think the joining event should be characteristic 
> for the
> role. What about changing roles?
> 
> Comments?
> 
> Best,
> 
> Martin
> 
> Christian-Emil Ore wrote:
>> Hi
>> I have adjusted the P107 and P144:
>> Added     P107.1 Kind of member
>>     P114.1 Kind of member
>>
>> and added a royal example.
>>
>> The name of te .1 is just tentative.
>>
>> Regards
>> Christian-Emil
>>
>>
>> On 10.11.2008 12:50, martin wrote:
>>> Hi Steve,
>>>
>>> Stephen Stead wrote:
>>>> Let us go for the additional P107.1. We will need a scope note with 
>>>> examples for the .1 and to check the new E85 text which I do not 
>>>> have. Martin can you post that plus the new texts for P143 joined 
>>>> (was joined by) and P144 joined with (gained member by). I am busy 
>>>> for the next few hours but might have time later tonight.
>>>> Rgds
>>>> SdS
>>>> ************************************************************************************************************************************************ 
>>>>
>>>> P107 has current or former member (is current or former member of)
>>>>
>>>> Domain:        E74 Group
>>>> Range:        E39 Actor
>>>> Quantification:        many to many (0,n:0,n)
>>>>
>>>> Scope note:    This property relates an E39 Actor to the E74 Group 
>>>> of which he or she is a member.
>>>>
>>>> Groups, Legal Bodies and Persons, may all be members of Groups. A 
>>>> Group necessarily consists of more than one Person.
>>>>
>>>> Examples:       Moholy Nagy (E21) is current or former member of 
>>>> Bauhaus (E74)
>>>>     National Museum of Science and Industry (E40) has current or 
>>>> former member The National Railway Museum (E40)
>>>> *********************************************************************************************************************************************** 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stephen Stead
>>>> Tel +44 20 8668 3075 Mob +44 7802 755 013
>>>> E-mail steads at paveprime.com
>>>
>>> Here are the declarations of P107 as a shortcut. No changes were made 
>>> to E85, but to E66:
>>>
>>> ====================
>>> E66 Formation
>>>
>>> Subclass of:     E7 Activity
>>> E63 Beginning of Existence
>>>        Scope note:     This class comprises events that result in the 
>>> formation of a formal or informal E74 Group of people, such as a 
>>> club, society, association, corporation or nation.
>>>
>>> E66 Formation does not include the arbitrary aggregation of people 
>>> who do not act as a collective.
>>> The formation of an instance of E74 Group does not mean that the 
>>> group is populated with members at the time of formation. In order to 
>>> express the joining of members at the time of formation, the 
>>> respective activity should be simultaneously an instance of both E66 
>>> Formation and E85 Joining.
>>>
>>> Examples:       the formation of the CIDOC CRM Special Interest Group
>>>     the formation of the Soviet Union
>>>     the conspiring of the murderers of Caesar
>>>
>>> Properties:
>>> P95 has formed (was formed by): E74 Group
>>> =======================
>>> NO CHANGES FOR:
>>>
>>> E85 Joining
>>>
>>> Subclass of:     E7 Activity
>>>
>>> Scope note:     This class comprises the activities that result in an 
>>> instance of E49 Actor becoming a member of an instance of E74 Group. 
>>> This class does not imply initiative by either party.
>>>
>>> Typical scenarios include becoming a member of a social organisation, 
>>> becoming employee of a company, marriage, the adoption of a child by 
>>> a family and the inauguration of somebody into an official position.
>>>     Examples:       The election of Sir Isaac Newton as Member of 
>>> Parliament for the University of Cambridge to the Convention 
>>> Parliament of 1689
>>>     The inauguration of Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev as leader of 
>>> the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) in 1985
>>>     The implementation of the membership treaty between EU and 
>>> Denmark  January 1. 1973
>>>
>>>
>>> Properties:
>>> P143 joined (was joined by): E39 Actor
>>> P144 joined with (gained member by) E74 Group
>>> ====================================================
>>> P107 has current or former member (is current or former member of)
>>>
>>> Domain:        E74 Group
>>> Range:        E39 Actor
>>> Quantification:        many to many (0,n:0,n)
>>>
>>> Scope note:    This property relates an E39 Actor to the E74 Group of 
>>> which he or she is a member.
>>>
>>> Groups, Legal Bodies and Persons, may all be members of Groups. A 
>>> Group necessarily consists of more than one Person.
>>> This property is a shortcut of the more fully developed path from E74 
>>> Group through P144 joined with (gained member by), E85 Joining, P143 
>>> joined (was joined by) to E39 Actor.
>>>
>>> Examples:       Moholy Nagy (E21) is current or former member of 
>>> Bauhaus (E74)
>>>     National Museum of Science and Industry (E40) has current or 
>>> former member The National Railway Museum (E40)
>>> ======================================================
>>> P143 joined (was joined by)
>>>
>>> Domain:        E85 Joining
>>> Range:        E39 Actor
>>> Subproperty of:     E5 Event. P11 had participant (participated in): 
>>> E39 Actor
>>>
>>> Quantification:    many to many, necessary (1,n:0,n)
>>>
>>> Scope note:    This property identifies the instance of E39 Actor 
>>> that becomes member of a E74 Group in an E85 Joining.
>>>
>>>     Joining events allow for describing people becoming members of a 
>>> group with a more detailed path from E74 Group through P144 joined 
>>> with (gained member by), E85 Joining, P143 joined (was joined by) to 
>>> E39 Actor, compared to the shortcut offered by P107 has current or 
>>> former member (is current or former member of).
>>>
>>>
>>> Examples:       The election of Sir Isaac Newton as Member of 
>>> Parliament to the Convention Parliament of 1689 joined Sir Isaac Newton
>>>     The inauguration of Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev as leader of 
>>> the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) in 1985 joined  
>>> Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev
>>>     The implementation of the membership treaty January 1. 1973 
>>> between EU and Denmark joined Denmark (E40)
>>> P144 joined with (gained member by)
>>>
>>> Domain:        E85 Joining
>>> Range:        E74 Group
>>> Subproperty of:     E5 Event. P11 had participant (participated in): 
>>> E39 Actor
>>> Quantification:    many to many, necessary (1,n:0,n)
>>>
>>> Scope note:    This property identifies the instance of E74 Group of 
>>> which an instance of E39 Actor becomes a member through an instance 
>>> of E85 Joining.
>>> Although a Joining activity normally concerns only one instance of 
>>> E74 Group, it is possible to imagine circumstances under which 
>>> becoming member of one Group implies becoming member of another Group 
>>> as well.
>>>
>>> Joining events allow for describing people becoming members of a 
>>> group with a more detailed path from E74 Group through P144 joined 
>>> with (gained member by), E85 Joining, P143 joined (was joined by) to 
>>> E39 Actor, compared to the shortcut offered by P107 has current or 
>>> former member (is current or former member of).
>>> ==================================================
>>>
>>
> 
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