[Crm-sig] asymmetric relations between people

Christian-Emil Ore c.e.s.ore at edd.uio.no
Wed Nov 12 13:05:58 EET 2008


Typing the event will not give you a type on the shortcut, I assume. I 
modeled the typed shortcut and the full path in analogy to other 
shortcuts in the CRM. In fact, in the CRM there are no formal rules for 
the relationship between a shortcut and the full path. In most (all?) 
cases the type of the shortcut follows the type of one of the arches.

So we should perhaps mention that the type of the shortcut should 
somehow be in harmoniy witht the type of the event.

In most (almost all) cases a historical source will just indicate the 
fact and not telling anything about the event.

Chr-Emil
On 11.11.2008 18:29, martin wrote:
> Dear Christian-Emil,
> 
> I am not sure if the example for P144.1 is particularly good, since the
> office has only one member at a time, the president. I am not sure if 
> P144.1
> is the best thing to do. I'd prefer expressing it by a "has type" link 
> or specialization
> of the Joining event. I think the joining event should be characteristic 
> for the
> role. What about changing roles?
> 
> Comments?
> 
> Best,
> 
> Martin
> 
> Christian-Emil Ore wrote:
>> Hi
>> I have adjusted the P107 and P144:
>> Added     P107.1 Kind of member
>>     P114.1 Kind of member
>>
>> and added a royal example.
>>
>> The name of te .1 is just tentative.
>>
>> Regards
>> Christian-Emil
>>
>>
>> On 10.11.2008 12:50, martin wrote:
>>> Hi Steve,
>>>
>>> Stephen Stead wrote:
>>>> Let us go for the additional P107.1. We will need a scope note with 
>>>> examples for the .1 and to check the new E85 text which I do not 
>>>> have. Martin can you post that plus the new texts for P143 joined 
>>>> (was joined by) and P144 joined with (gained member by). I am busy 
>>>> for the next few hours but might have time later tonight.
>>>> Rgds
>>>> SdS
>>>> ************************************************************************************************************************************************ 
>>>>
>>>> P107 has current or former member (is current or former member of)
>>>>
>>>> Domain:        E74 Group
>>>> Range:        E39 Actor
>>>> Quantification:        many to many (0,n:0,n)
>>>>
>>>> Scope note:    This property relates an E39 Actor to the E74 Group 
>>>> of which he or she is a member.
>>>>
>>>> Groups, Legal Bodies and Persons, may all be members of Groups. A 
>>>> Group necessarily consists of more than one Person.
>>>>
>>>> Examples:       Moholy Nagy (E21) is current or former member of 
>>>> Bauhaus (E74)
>>>>     National Museum of Science and Industry (E40) has current or 
>>>> former member The National Railway Museum (E40)
>>>> *********************************************************************************************************************************************** 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stephen Stead
>>>> Tel +44 20 8668 3075 Mob +44 7802 755 013
>>>> E-mail steads at paveprime.com
>>>
>>> Here are the declarations of P107 as a shortcut. No changes were made 
>>> to E85, but to E66:
>>>
>>> ====================
>>> E66 Formation
>>>
>>> Subclass of:     E7 Activity
>>> E63 Beginning of Existence
>>>        Scope note:     This class comprises events that result in the 
>>> formation of a formal or informal E74 Group of people, such as a 
>>> club, society, association, corporation or nation.
>>>
>>> E66 Formation does not include the arbitrary aggregation of people 
>>> who do not act as a collective.
>>> The formation of an instance of E74 Group does not mean that the 
>>> group is populated with members at the time of formation. In order to 
>>> express the joining of members at the time of formation, the 
>>> respective activity should be simultaneously an instance of both E66 
>>> Formation and E85 Joining.
>>>
>>> Examples:       the formation of the CIDOC CRM Special Interest Group
>>>     the formation of the Soviet Union
>>>     the conspiring of the murderers of Caesar
>>>
>>> Properties:
>>> P95 has formed (was formed by): E74 Group
>>> =======================
>>> NO CHANGES FOR:
>>>
>>> E85 Joining
>>>
>>> Subclass of:     E7 Activity
>>>
>>> Scope note:     This class comprises the activities that result in an 
>>> instance of E49 Actor becoming a member of an instance of E74 Group. 
>>> This class does not imply initiative by either party.
>>>
>>> Typical scenarios include becoming a member of a social organisation, 
>>> becoming employee of a company, marriage, the adoption of a child by 
>>> a family and the inauguration of somebody into an official position.
>>>     Examples:       The election of Sir Isaac Newton as Member of 
>>> Parliament for the University of Cambridge to the Convention 
>>> Parliament of 1689
>>>     The inauguration of Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev as leader of 
>>> the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) in 1985
>>>     The implementation of the membership treaty between EU and 
>>> Denmark  January 1. 1973
>>>
>>>
>>> Properties:
>>> P143 joined (was joined by): E39 Actor
>>> P144 joined with (gained member by) E74 Group
>>> ====================================================
>>> P107 has current or former member (is current or former member of)
>>>
>>> Domain:        E74 Group
>>> Range:        E39 Actor
>>> Quantification:        many to many (0,n:0,n)
>>>
>>> Scope note:    This property relates an E39 Actor to the E74 Group of 
>>> which he or she is a member.
>>>
>>> Groups, Legal Bodies and Persons, may all be members of Groups. A 
>>> Group necessarily consists of more than one Person.
>>> This property is a shortcut of the more fully developed path from E74 
>>> Group through P144 joined with (gained member by), E85 Joining, P143 
>>> joined (was joined by) to E39 Actor.
>>>
>>> Examples:       Moholy Nagy (E21) is current or former member of 
>>> Bauhaus (E74)
>>>     National Museum of Science and Industry (E40) has current or 
>>> former member The National Railway Museum (E40)
>>> ======================================================
>>> P143 joined (was joined by)
>>>
>>> Domain:        E85 Joining
>>> Range:        E39 Actor
>>> Subproperty of:     E5 Event. P11 had participant (participated in): 
>>> E39 Actor
>>>
>>> Quantification:    many to many, necessary (1,n:0,n)
>>>
>>> Scope note:    This property identifies the instance of E39 Actor 
>>> that becomes member of a E74 Group in an E85 Joining.
>>>
>>>     Joining events allow for describing people becoming members of a 
>>> group with a more detailed path from E74 Group through P144 joined 
>>> with (gained member by), E85 Joining, P143 joined (was joined by) to 
>>> E39 Actor, compared to the shortcut offered by P107 has current or 
>>> former member (is current or former member of).
>>>
>>>
>>> Examples:       The election of Sir Isaac Newton as Member of 
>>> Parliament to the Convention Parliament of 1689 joined Sir Isaac Newton
>>>     The inauguration of Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev as leader of 
>>> the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) in 1985 joined  
>>> Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev
>>>     The implementation of the membership treaty January 1. 1973 
>>> between EU and Denmark joined Denmark (E40)
>>> P144 joined with (gained member by)
>>>
>>> Domain:        E85 Joining
>>> Range:        E74 Group
>>> Subproperty of:     E5 Event. P11 had participant (participated in): 
>>> E39 Actor
>>> Quantification:    many to many, necessary (1,n:0,n)
>>>
>>> Scope note:    This property identifies the instance of E74 Group of 
>>> which an instance of E39 Actor becomes a member through an instance 
>>> of E85 Joining.
>>> Although a Joining activity normally concerns only one instance of 
>>> E74 Group, it is possible to imagine circumstances under which 
>>> becoming member of one Group implies becoming member of another Group 
>>> as well.
>>>
>>> Joining events allow for describing people becoming members of a 
>>> group with a more detailed path from E74 Group through P144 joined 
>>> with (gained member by), E85 Joining, P143 joined (was joined by) to 
>>> E39 Actor, compared to the shortcut offered by P107 has current or 
>>> former member (is current or former member of).
>>> ==================================================
>>>
>>
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