[Crm-sig] asymmetric relations between people

martin martin at ics.forth.gr
Tue Nov 11 19:29:12 EET 2008


Dear Christian-Emil,

I am not sure if the example for P144.1 is particularly good, since the
office has only one member at a time, the president. I am not sure if P144.1
is the best thing to do. I'd prefer expressing it by a "has type" link or specialization
of the Joining event. I think the joining event should be characteristic for the
role. What about changing roles?

Comments?

Best,

Martin

Christian-Emil Ore wrote:
> Hi
> I have adjusted the P107 and P144:
> Added     P107.1 Kind of member
>     P114.1 Kind of member
> 
> and added a royal example.
> 
> The name of te .1 is just tentative.
> 
> Regards
> Christian-Emil
> 
> 
> On 10.11.2008 12:50, martin wrote:
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> Stephen Stead wrote:
>>> Let us go for the additional P107.1. We will need a scope note with 
>>> examples for the .1 and to check the new E85 text which I do not 
>>> have. Martin can you post that plus the new texts for P143 joined 
>>> (was joined by) and P144 joined with (gained member by). I am busy 
>>> for the next few hours but might have time later tonight.
>>> Rgds
>>> SdS
>>> ************************************************************************************************************************************************ 
>>>
>>> P107 has current or former member (is current or former member of)
>>>
>>> Domain:        E74 Group
>>> Range:        E39 Actor
>>> Quantification:        many to many (0,n:0,n)
>>>
>>> Scope note:    This property relates an E39 Actor to the E74 Group of 
>>> which he or she is a member.
>>>
>>> Groups, Legal Bodies and Persons, may all be members of Groups. A 
>>> Group necessarily consists of more than one Person.
>>>
>>> Examples:       Moholy Nagy (E21) is current or former member of 
>>> Bauhaus (E74)
>>>     National Museum of Science and Industry (E40) has current or 
>>> former member The National Railway Museum (E40)
>>> *********************************************************************************************************************************************** 
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephen Stead
>>> Tel +44 20 8668 3075 Mob +44 7802 755 013
>>> E-mail steads at paveprime.com
>>
>> Here are the declarations of P107 as a shortcut. No changes were made 
>> to E85, but to E66:
>>
>> ====================
>> E66 Formation
>>
>> Subclass of:     E7 Activity
>> E63 Beginning of Existence
>>        Scope note:     This class comprises events that result in the 
>> formation of a formal or informal E74 Group of people, such as a club, 
>> society, association, corporation or nation.
>>
>> E66 Formation does not include the arbitrary aggregation of people who 
>> do not act as a collective.
>> The formation of an instance of E74 Group does not mean that the group 
>> is populated with members at the time of formation. In order to 
>> express the joining of members at the time of formation, the 
>> respective activity should be simultaneously an instance of both E66 
>> Formation and E85 Joining.
>>
>> Examples:       the formation of the CIDOC CRM Special Interest Group
>>     the formation of the Soviet Union
>>     the conspiring of the murderers of Caesar
>>
>> Properties:
>> P95 has formed (was formed by): E74 Group
>> =======================
>> NO CHANGES FOR:
>>
>> E85 Joining
>>
>> Subclass of:     E7 Activity
>>
>> Scope note:     This class comprises the activities that result in an 
>> instance of E49 Actor becoming a member of an instance of E74 Group. 
>> This class does not imply initiative by either party.
>>
>> Typical scenarios include becoming a member of a social organisation, 
>> becoming employee of a company, marriage, the adoption of a child by a 
>> family and the inauguration of somebody into an official position.
>>     Examples:       The election of Sir Isaac Newton as Member of 
>> Parliament for the University of Cambridge to the Convention 
>> Parliament of 1689
>>     The inauguration of Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev as leader of 
>> the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) in 1985
>>     The implementation of the membership treaty between EU and 
>> Denmark  January 1. 1973
>>
>>
>> Properties:
>> P143 joined (was joined by): E39 Actor
>> P144 joined with (gained member by) E74 Group
>> ====================================================
>> P107 has current or former member (is current or former member of)
>>
>> Domain:        E74 Group
>> Range:        E39 Actor
>> Quantification:        many to many (0,n:0,n)
>>
>> Scope note:    This property relates an E39 Actor to the E74 Group of 
>> which he or she is a member.
>>
>> Groups, Legal Bodies and Persons, may all be members of Groups. A 
>> Group necessarily consists of more than one Person.
>> This property is a shortcut of the more fully developed path from E74 
>> Group through P144 joined with (gained member by), E85 Joining, P143 
>> joined (was joined by) to E39 Actor.
>>
>> Examples:       Moholy Nagy (E21) is current or former member of 
>> Bauhaus (E74)
>>     National Museum of Science and Industry (E40) has current or 
>> former member The National Railway Museum (E40)
>> ======================================================
>> P143 joined (was joined by)
>>
>> Domain:        E85 Joining
>> Range:        E39 Actor
>> Subproperty of:     E5 Event. P11 had participant (participated in): 
>> E39 Actor
>>
>> Quantification:    many to many, necessary (1,n:0,n)
>>
>> Scope note:    This property identifies the instance of E39 Actor that 
>> becomes member of a E74 Group in an E85 Joining.
>>
>>     Joining events allow for describing people becoming members of a 
>> group with a more detailed path from E74 Group through P144 joined 
>> with (gained member by), E85 Joining, P143 joined (was joined by) to 
>> E39 Actor, compared to the shortcut offered by P107 has current or 
>> former member (is current or former member of).
>>
>>
>> Examples:       The election of Sir Isaac Newton as Member of 
>> Parliament to the Convention Parliament of 1689 joined Sir Isaac Newton
>>     The inauguration of Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev as leader of 
>> the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) in 1985 joined  Mikhail 
>> Sergeyevich Gorbachev
>>     The implementation of the membership treaty January 1. 1973 
>> between EU and Denmark joined Denmark (E40)
>> P144 joined with (gained member by)
>>
>> Domain:        E85 Joining
>> Range:        E74 Group
>> Subproperty of:     E5 Event. P11 had participant (participated in): 
>> E39 Actor
>> Quantification:    many to many, necessary (1,n:0,n)
>>
>> Scope note:    This property identifies the instance of E74 Group of 
>> which an instance of E39 Actor becomes a member through an instance of 
>> E85 Joining.
>> Although a Joining activity normally concerns only one instance of E74 
>> Group, it is possible to imagine circumstances under which becoming 
>> member of one Group implies becoming member of another Group as well.
>>
>> Joining events allow for describing people becoming members of a group 
>> with a more detailed path from E74 Group through P144 joined with 
>> (gained member by), E85 Joining, P143 joined (was joined by) to E39 
>> Actor, compared to the shortcut offered by P107 has current or former 
>> member (is current or former member of).
>> ==================================================
>>
> 


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