[Crm-sig] Relations between information objects

martin martin at ics.forth.gr
Sat Jan 12 00:01:55 EET 2008


Dear Joao,

Yes of course, and P130 is a generalization of R58. So, both are correct.

Best,

Martin

João Oliveira wrote:
> Dear Mr. Köhler,
>  
>     Your suggestion "to have a predicate in CIDOC-CRM to indicate that 
> one Information Object is not identical with but derived from another" 
> is part of the new FRBRoo ontology (an
> extension of CIDOC CRM with FRBR concepts). See 
> http://cidoc.ics.forth.gr/frbr_drafts.html
>  
>     The desired feature is the "R58 is derivative of (has derivative)" 
> property.
> R58 Scope Note:
> "This property associates an instance of F1 Work which modifies the 
> content of another
> instance of F1 Work with the latter. The property R58.1 has type of this 
> property allows for
> specifying the kind of derivation, such as adaptation, summarization etc."
> In your example, the R58.1 Type should be "transcription normalization" .
>  
>    In addition, the definition of "F2 Expression" Class (subclass of 
> E73 Information Object) will help you deal with the Work expression in 
> an independent way of the used symbol system (pictorial/illustration, 
> language/text etc.).  
>  
> Regards
>  
> João Alberto de Oliveira Lima
> 
> 
>  
> On Jan 11, 2008 3:15 PM, Dieter Köhler <d.k at philo.de 
> <mailto:d.k at philo.de>> wrote:
> 
>     Trying to record the structure of a manuscript
>     and its digital reproductions with CIDOC CRM
>     4.2.2 I come across the following problem.  I
>     have a digital facsimile and a normalized
>     transcription of a manuscript.  The facsimile
>     consists of scans of the individual pages of the
>     manuscript; the transcription is normalized by
>     correcting misspellings, skipping deleted
>     passages and rearranging some others (according
>     to insertion marks in the manuscript).
> 
>     I understand that
>     (A) the physical manuscript is an E84 Information Carrier
>     (B) a digital scan is an E73 Information Object
>     (more precisely an E36 Visual Item)
>     (C) a transcription is an E73 Information Object
>     (I am not sure whether I can use E33 Linguistic
>     Object here, because some paragraphs contain tiny
>     non-linguistic illustrations within the textual sequence)
>     (D) a particular file on the hard disk containing
>     a scan is an E84 Information Carrier
>     (E) a particular file on the hard disk containing
>     a transcription is an E84 Information Carrier
> 
>     The following relations apply:
>     (A) P128 carries (B)
>     (A) P128 carries (C)
>     (D) P128 carries (B)
>     (E) P128 carries (C)
> 
>     (B) and (C) are distinct E73 Information Objects,
>     but nevertheless the transcription (C) is an
>     interpretation of the visual clues of (B),
>     expressed for example in: "The vertical stroke in
>     the first line is the word 'I'."
> 
>     I think it would be useful to have a predicate in
>     CIDOC-CRM to indicate that one Information Object
>     is not identical with but derived from
>     another.  The closest predicates in meaning are
>     'P67 refers to' and 'P138 represents'.  However,
>     it seems that neither is really accurate here.  Any ideas?
> 
>     Dieter Köhler
> 
> 
> 
>     Dr. Dieter Köhler, M.A.
>     Wissenschaftlicher Assistent
>     Institut für Philosophie und
>     Studienzentrum Multimedia
>     Universität Karlsruhe (TH)
> 
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