[crm-sig] Slaves as Physical Objects?

[martin]

Dear Edmund,

Lee, Edmund wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> This sounds sensible Martin, and consistent with my understanding of slavery
> in the ancient world at least (one of the modules in my undergraduate
> course).
> 
> Do the same considerations apply to other groups of people involuntarily
> brought together under some legal definition? I am thinking, for example
> about 'prisoners of war'?


I am not so sure about that. By sure the CRM does not claim to cover sociology.
In the above, I thought more of slaves pressed into ship, brought to auction etc.
Prisoners of war may form, even unwillingly, a Group, once they are encamped and
allowed social contact.

Martin


> 
> Ed
> 
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: martin [mailto:martin at ics.forth.gr]
>>Sent: 14 October 2002 10:26
>>To: crm-sig at ics.forth.gr
>>Subject: [crm-sig] Slaves as Physical Objects?
>>
>>
>>Dear All,
>>
>>In Copenhagen we were puzzled by the question, if sales of slaves
>>are covered by the CIDOC CRM, and if not, if they should.
>>
>>The majority agreed, that this is not an issue worthwhile 
>>extending the
>>CRM. Nevertheless, it is actually covered by the CRM, and has some
>>interesting aspects:
>>
>>1. Slaves, being Persons, are also Physical Objects 
>>(consistent with SHIC, were they are under trading goods, as 
>>well as with the Roman laws,
>>   if I am not mistaken). Hence, Acquisition refers to them.
>>2. Groups of Slaves, as brought together by slave traders, 
>>are not groups in the sense of the CRM, as they did not come 
>>together for collective action. In this sense, they are an 
>>aggregate as others,
>>which is covered by Physical Object (see discussion about 
>>collections, ISSUE 1). It would be too far going, to regard 
>>them a curated Collection...Hence, even aggregates of slaves 
>>are covered by
>>Acquisition.
>>3. If, as in good movies, but far too seldom in reality, 
>>slaves have the chance to congregate and lynch their 
>>suppressors, they form a Group in the sense of the CRM, if 
>>lucky with the same members as
>>under point 2, but with distinct identity from the aggregate 
>>they belonged to before or
>>still belong in the eyes of those regarding themselves as 
>>their owners. In particular Spartacus' band must be seen as a Group.
>>
>>Comments?
>>
>>martin
>>
>>
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                Information Systems Laboratory                |
                 Institute of Computer Science                |
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  Vassilika Vouton,P.O.Box1385,GR71110 Heraklion,Crete,Greece |
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          Web-site: http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl               |
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