[crm-sig] Gerundifying events

Tony Gill tony_gill at notes.rlg.org
Wed Nov 28 20:42:08 EET 2001


Hmm, "Birth Giving" sounds very peculiar in English, "Giving Birth" is a 
much more natural-sounding expression.

Here's version 2 of the "gerundified" list, with Nick's helpful 
corrections to my first hastily-put-together-before-going-on-vacation 
attempt, plus a counter-proposal:

CRM EVENTS - "GERUNDIFIED" LIST version 2

E7 - - - - Activity (Acting)
E8 - - - - - Acquisition (Acquiring)
E9 - - - - - Move (Moving)
E10 - - - - - Transfer of Custody (Transferring Custody)
E11 - - - - - Modification (Modifying)
E12 - - - - - - Production (Producing)
E13 - - - - - Attribute Assignment (Attribute Assigning)
E14 - - - - - - Condition Assessment (Condition Assessing)
E15 - - - - - - Identifier Assignment (Identifier Assigning)
E16 - - - - - - Measurement (Measuring)
E17 - - - - - - Type Assignment (Type Assigning)
E65 - - - - - Conceptual Creation (Conceptually Creating)
E66 - - - - - Formation (Forming)
E63 - - - - Beginning of Existence (Beginning of Existence)
E67 - - - - - Birth (Giving Birth)
E12 - - - - - Production (Producing)
E65 - - - - - Conceptual Creation (Conceptually Creating)
E66 - - - - - Formation (Forming)
E64 - - - - End of Existence (Ending of Existence)
E6 - - - - - Destruction (Destroying)
E68 - - - - - Dissolution (Dissolving)
E69 - - - - - Death (Dying)

However, I *am* a little concerned about how the gerundified events will 
fit together with their corresponding properties; for example:

[E7 Acting] <P18 motivated the creation of> [E28 Conceptual Object]
[E12 Producing] <P108 has produced> [E24 Physical Man-Made Stuff]
[E67 Giving Birth] <P98 brought into life> [E21 Person]

Sounds much less coherent and understandable than:

[E7 Activity] <P18 motivated the creation of> [E28 Conceptual Object]
[E12 Production] <P108 has produced> [E24 Physical Man-Made Stuff]
[E67 Birth] <P98 brought into life> [E21 Person]

Perhaps another way to deal with the potential verb/noun confusion in the 
Event hierarchy would be to explicitly state that the entities are events:

CRM EVENTS - "EVENT EXPLICIT" LIST version 1

E7 - - - - Activity (Action Event)
E8 - - - - - Acquisition (Acquisition Event)
E9 - - - - - Move (Movement Event)
E10 - - - - - Transfer of Custody (Transfer of Custody Event)
E11 - - - - - Modification (Modification Event)
E12 - - - - - - Production (Production Event)
E13 - - - - - Attribute Assignment (Attribute Assignment Event)
E14 - - - - - - Condition Assessment (Condition Assessment Event)
E15 - - - - - - Identifier Assignment (Identifier Assigment Event)
E16 - - - - - - Measurement (Measurement Event)
E17 - - - - - - Type Assignment (Type Assignment Event)
E65 - - - - - Conceptual Creation (Conceptual Creation Event)
E66 - - - - - Formation (Formation Event)
E63 - - - - Beginning of Existence (Beginning of Existence Event)
E67 - - - - - Birth (Birth Event)
E12 - - - - - Production (Production Event)
E65 - - - - - Conceptual Creation (Conceptual Creation Event)
E66 - - - - - Formation (Formation Event)
E64 - - - - End of Existence (End of Existence Event)
E6 - - - - - Destruction (Destruction Event)
E68 - - - - - Dissolution (Dissolution Event)
E69 - - - - - Death (Death Event)

This would then give us:

[E7 Action Event] <P18 motivated the creation of> [E28 Conceptual Object]
[E12 Production Event] <P108 has produced> [E24 Physical Man-Made Stuff]
[E67 Birth Event] <P98 brought into life> [E21 Person]

This seems more intuitive than the gerund forms to me... Comments?

Cheers,

T.
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martin at ics.forth.gr
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        Subject:        Re: [crm-sig] Gerundifying events


What about "birth giving" ? In conjunction with the property it may read
better:

Nick - was born in - birth giving - by mother ....??

Martin

>
> A couple of typos: "Beginning if Existence" should be "Beginning of
> Existence". (Though the metaphysical implications of the former are
> more interesting...;-) "Aqcuiring" should be "Acquiring". Interesting
> that you didn't deal with birth (hesitating about the awkwardness of
> "birthing" perhaps?). It could be gerindificated as "giving Birth" or
> as "Being Born", depending on who the subject of the action is seen as.
> I would prefer "Giving Birth" as none of the other activities use
> passive forms.  As I recall, the "potential for confusion" was related
> to the fact that some verbs are also nouns, so "E12 Production" might
> sound like a thing, as in "an RLG-Speilberg production". Using gerunds
> avoids this confusion. Expressing everything in gerund form is more
> consistent too. Cheers
> Nick
>   Tony Gill <Tony_Gill at notes.rlg.org> wrote: Folks,
>
> In the Actions, I was assigned: "TG to propose new names for activities
> in  the event hierarchy using gerunds when there is potential for
> confusion."
>
> Well, I can't remember what the "potential for confusion" was now, so
> I've  "gerundified" them all:
>
> E7 - - - - Activity (Acting)
> E8 - - - - - Acquisition (Aqcuiring)
> E9 - - - - - Move (Moving)
> E10 - - - - - Transfer of Custody (Transferring Custody)
> E11 - - - - - Modification (Modifying)
> E12 - - - - - - Production (Producing)
> E13 - - - - - Attribute Assignment (Attribute Assigning)
> E14 - - - - - - Condition Assessment (Condition Assessing)
> E15 - - - - - - Identifier Assignment (Identifier Assigning)
> E16 - - - - - - Measurement (Measuring)
> E17 - - - - - - Type Assignment (Type Assigning)
> E65 - - - - - Conceptual Creation (Conceptually Creating)
> E66 - - - - - Formation (Forming)
> E63 - - - - Beginning of Existence (Beginning if Existence)
> E67 - - - - - Birth
> E12 - - - - - Production (Producing)
> E65 - - - - - Conceptual Creation (Conceptually Creating)
> E66 - - - - - Formation (Forming)
> E64 - - - - End of Existence (Ending of Existence)
> E6 - - - - - Destruction (Destroying)
> E68 - - - - - Dissolution (Dissolving)
> E69 - - - - - Death (Dying)
>
> Cheers,
>
> T.
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